i agree with madam Umesha infact it is not easy to touch the branille display board on crouded railway stations, or stations whwre the trains have short stoppage time.
On 1/31/16, li...@srinivasu.org <li...@srinivasu.org> wrote: > Umesha, > Braille will be useful in locating toilets, coaches etc., only when other > issues are fixed. For instance cleanliness, gap between coach and platform, > right place for seats where it avoids we touch fellow passengers etc., else > investment on this will go waste. After all, it is public money and should > not be wasted. > > Regards, > Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu > Sent from my iPhone 5C > >> On 31-Jan-2016, at 08:35, Umesha S E <umesha....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Friends, >> Why are you arguing consistently for only one mode of access? I don’t >> know who said Braille is bad. But, every mode of access has its own >> merits and demerits and it equally applies to Braille. We need to >> understand that Braille is not the panacea for all the accessibility >> problems. I have seen here and many times some people argue >> consistently for Braille without looking into its usability. It is >> clear that Braille is very useful in locating seats, births, toilets, >> emergency exits, reserved seats for disabled, etc. There is no second >> word in it. No one can deny that. It is also useful in reading coach >> number after getting into the coach. For example, if one has boarded a >> coach by asking some lay person on the platform and he wants to >> confirm after boarding, whether what that person told is correct or >> not. >> All this is good but it does not end the problem. I am not against >> Braille, or south western railway, or Mysore division. What I meant to >> say is that the issue is not yet over. One cannot identify the coach >> number before boarding. If one has to travel safely, he has to stand >> on the platform approximately at the position where his desired coach >> will arrive. For this to happen seamlessly, the audio announcement >> should be implemented to the polls on the platforms having display >> boards for the coaches. Also the coaches should have audio >> announcement system. Because, sometimes the coaches may not stand at >> the proper positions, or there may not be the prior display of coach >> array on the platform. Someone may oppose this on behalf of deaf >> blind. But, on the same line, I can oppose Braille on behalf of those >> who don’t know Braille. But I won’t do it as it would lead us nowhere. >> What I oppose clearly is claiming a train, or any service for that >> matter, as completely accessible just by putting some Braille labels. >> For example: most of you know the accessible ATM movement led by >> Indian bank energized by our own friend Prashanth. In our university >> campus, there is a state bank of Mysore ATM which has some Braille >> label on cash dispenser, slip dispenser, etc. it also has an earphone >> jack. I was very happy on seeing that in the illusion that it an >> accessible ATM. But, upon examination, it was found that it is not. It >> does not have audio output but just an earphone socket which gives you >> nothing. After this I enquired the bank official if there any chance >> of implementing accessible ATM in that machine in coming days. They >> told not at all in near future. If you claim this train as completely >> accessible on the basis of Braille, one day SBM may also claim our >> university ATM as completely accessible. >> Conclusion: , we have to appreciate, encourage, support all such >> efforts towards making the things accessible whether it is audio, >> Braille, etc. at the same time, we must be cautious on any wrong >> claims of complete accessibility and make the authorities aware that >> many things remain undone. >> Thank you for reading my lengthy mail. >> >> Umesha S E >> >> >> >>> On 1/30/16, Misbah <jnu.mis...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I do believe that still braille is one of the efective wayout of >>> accessibility issues of blind persons despite massive tecnological >>> inovations. >>> >>>> On 1/30/16, SHANKAR DIGUVAPALLI <shankar.diguvapa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> It is good having braille signages to identify the seats but it will >>>> take time for the visually disabled persons to identify the coach >>>> numbersand sometimes the train will start before the identification is >>>> completed and we reach the coach. i recommend that the railway engage >>>> volentairs to lead us to the desired coach. >>>> >>>>> On 1/28/16, Giri Prasad <mgiriprasadma...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> nevertheless many trains dont have the disabled coach. This also >>>>> should be looked into. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 28/01/2016, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote: >>>>>> The train services should have audio announcements like in the Delhi >>>>>> Metro, >>>>>> Rajdhani Express and the Shatabdi Express. Further the Railway >>>>>> authorities/staff should have a trained cadre that supports or >>>>>> facilitates >>>>>> persons with disability, senior citizens and others who need help. >>>>>> Braille >>>>>> is a good initiative but the solution is not complete. In my >>>>>> experience, >>>>>> seasoned blind travellers do not need any signage inside trains. Given >>>>>> that >>>>>> the railway coaches are standard, locating the wash room, berths etc >>>>>> comes >>>>>> with orientation from frequent travel. A question for the group, how >>>>>> many >>>>>> blind people in our country and how many of them read Braille? >>>>>> Ofcourse >>>>>> technological solutions like apps is good but will serve a very small >>>>>> population. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Kotian, H P >>>>>> Sent: 28 January 2016 11:51 >>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>>> concerning >>>>>> the disabled. >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between >>>>>> Mysuru, >>>>>> Varanasi >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> I do agree. Let us appreciate the steps taken and work with the >>>>>> authorities >>>>>> to make accessibility more better. I find now there is barrier coming >>>>>> from >>>>>> our side and we want to oppose every initiative. Accessibility done in >>>>>> the >>>>>> coach is a one time measure make use of it or leave it no big deal >>>>>> about >>>>>> it. I do recall, in the same post, there was mention of navigational >>>>>> maps >>>>>> were made on Mysore station. Therefore, Braille is not the only >>>>>> solution >>>>>> thought about. Apps based solution works on a totally different plane, >>>>>> even >>>>>> if it is done, our brilliant armchair activists will come out saying >>>>>> we >>>>>> are >>>>>> a poor country and most cannot own a mobile phone. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we deserve stale mind attitude of the previous government, no >>>>>> work, >>>>>> no complaints. >>>>>> >>>>>> Harish Kotian >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Zoher >>>>>> Sent: 28 January 2016 11:08 >>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and >>>>>> issuesconcerning >>>>>> the disabled. >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between >>>>>> Mysuru, >>>>>> Varanasi >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello friends, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think none of us should comment on the efforts taken by the govt >>>>>> without >>>>>> experiencing the same. We have all the rights to criticize or >>>>>> appreciate >>>>>> the train if we have firsthand experience of travelling inn that. >>>>>> >>>>>> We should also understand 1 fact that to please all the section of the >>>>>> society is just not possible for any govt. >>>>>> >>>>>> The positive thing I see is that at least and at last govt bodies has >>>>>> started to understand and recognize the importance of disabled >>>>>> sections >>>>>> of >>>>>> the society even though they are not a large and united vote bank. >>>>>> >>>>>> If we confront with govt on every step they take, then I think it may >>>>>> hamper entire process. >>>>>> >>>>>> So rather confronting with the authorities we should follow the path >>>>>> of >>>>>> consensus. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we should take this as a first step and not the end of >>>>>> process. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >>>>>> accessibility >>>>>> of >>>>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessin >>>>>> dia.org.in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Search for old postings at: >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>>> please visit the list home page at >>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>>> 1. 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