True sir. -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of George Abraham Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 11:59 AM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi
Braille is useful once you get to it. In a public space the challenge will be to get to it. I have nothing against Braille. I am simply saying that in a crowded Railway station Braille is not the best solution. -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh Sent: 01 February 2016 11:12 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi A perfectly rational stand, I concurr with Umesha. सादर / With thanks & Regards राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur 0712 2806846 President VIBEWA Co-Moderator VIB-India A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and laughter. -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Umesha S E Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 8:36 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi Friends, Why are you arguing consistently for only one mode of access? I don’t know who said Braille is bad. But, every mode of access has its own merits and demerits and it equally applies to Braille. We need to understand that Braille is not the panacea for all the accessibility problems. I have seen here and many times some people argue consistently for Braille without looking into its usability. It is clear that Braille is very useful in locating seats, births, toilets, emergency exits, reserved seats for disabled, etc. There is no second word in it. No one can deny that. It is also useful in reading coach number after getting into the coach. For example, if one has boarded a coach by asking some lay person on the platform and he wants to confirm after boarding, whether what that person told is correct or not. All this is good but it does not end the problem. I am not against Braille, or south western railway, or Mysore division. What I meant to say is that the issue is not yet over. One cannot identify the coach number before boarding. If one has to travel safely, he has to stand on the platform approximately at the position where his desired coach will arrive. For this to happen seamlessly, the audio announcement should be implemented to the polls on the platforms having display boards for the coaches. Also the coaches should have audio announcement system. Because, sometimes the coaches may not stand at the proper positions, or there may not be the prior display of coach array on the platform. Someone may oppose this on behalf of deaf blind. But, on the same line, I can oppose Braille on behalf of those who don’t know Braille. But I won’t do it as it would lead us nowhere. What I oppose clearly is claiming a train, or any service for that matter, as completely accessible just by putting some Braille labels. For example: most of you know the accessible ATM movement led by Indian bank energized by our own friend Prashanth. In our university campus, there is a state bank of Mysore ATM which has some Braille label on cash dispenser, slip dispenser, etc. it also has an earphone jack. I was very happy on seeing that in the illusion that it an accessible ATM. But, upon examination, it was found that it is not. It does not have audio output but just an earphone socket which gives you nothing. After this I enquired the bank official if there any chance of implementing accessible ATM in that machine in coming days. They told not at all in near future. If you claim this train as completely accessible on the basis of Braille, one day SBM may also claim our university ATM as completely accessible. Conclusion: , we have to appreciate, encourage, support all such efforts towards making the things accessible whether it is audio, Braille, etc. at the same time, we must be cautious on any wrong claims of complete accessibility and make the authorities aware that many things remain undone. Thank you for reading my lengthy mail. Umesha S E On 1/30/16, Misbah <jnu.mis...@gmail.com> wrote: > I do believe that still braille is one of the efective wayout of > accessibility issues of blind persons despite massive tecnological > inovations. > > On 1/30/16, SHANKAR DIGUVAPALLI <shankar.diguvapa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> It is good having braille signages to identify the seats but it will >> take time for the visually disabled persons to identify the coach >> numbersand sometimes the train will start before the identification is >> completed and we reach the coach. i recommend that the railway engage >> volentairs to lead us to the desired coach. >> >> On 1/28/16, Giri Prasad <mgiriprasadma...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> nevertheless many trains dont have the disabled coach. This also >>> should be looked into. >>> >>> >>> On 28/01/2016, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote: >>>> The train services should have audio announcements like in the Delhi >>>> Metro, >>>> Rajdhani Express and the Shatabdi Express. Further the Railway >>>> authorities/staff should have a trained cadre that supports or >>>> facilitates >>>> persons with disability, senior citizens and others who need help. >>>> Braille >>>> is a good initiative but the solution is not complete. In my >>>> experience, >>>> seasoned blind travellers do not need any signage inside trains. Given >>>> that >>>> the railway coaches are standard, locating the wash room, berths etc >>>> comes >>>> with orientation from frequent travel. A question for the group, how >>>> many >>>> blind people in our country and how many of them read Braille? Ofcourse >>>> technological solutions like apps is good but will serve a very small >>>> population. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Kotian, H P >>>> Sent: 28 January 2016 11:51 >>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>> concerning >>>> the disabled. >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, >>>> Varanasi >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> I do agree. Let us appreciate the steps taken and work with the >>>> authorities >>>> to make accessibility more better. I find now there is barrier coming >>>> from >>>> our side and we want to oppose every initiative. Accessibility done in >>>> the >>>> coach is a one time measure make use of it or leave it no big deal >>>> about >>>> it. I do recall, in the same post, there was mention of navigational >>>> maps >>>> were made on Mysore station. Therefore, Braille is not the only >>>> solution >>>> thought about. Apps based solution works on a totally different plane, >>>> even >>>> if it is done, our brilliant armchair activists will come out saying we >>>> are >>>> a poor country and most cannot own a mobile phone. >>>> >>>> I think we deserve stale mind attitude of the previous government, no >>>> work, >>>> no complaints. >>>> >>>> Harish Kotian >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Zoher >>>> Sent: 28 January 2016 11:08 >>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and >>>> issuesconcerning >>>> the disabled. >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, >>>> Varanasi >>>> >>>> Hello friends, >>>> >>>> I think none of us should comment on the efforts taken by the govt >>>> without >>>> experiencing the same. 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