Good thought Ajay, agree with you. -----Original Message----- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shyam M. Sayanekar Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:17 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call
Mr. Ajay, now both Chandrashekhar Kulkarni and myself will come to you to sit at your feet to learn our responsibilities as academicians. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ajay Minocha" <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call > Hi sir, > > Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and > without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your > responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing > society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember > that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of > computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are > happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a > bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their > careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of > 20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at > a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me, > every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the > end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but as a > list member I feel that a right message must be given to the younger > generation who considers this list to be the primary source of > information. > > Regards, > Ajay > > > On 12/6/16, Chandrashekhar Kulkarni <kulkarni.chandr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dear list memberss, >> A very interesting and close to heart topic in the present >> circumstances. According to me the problem is more severe for totally >> blind persons. Today there is a loud cry for going in for paperless >> currency, but has the government really thought about the needs of >> differently abled persons or the Hon. Prime Minister and his ministry >> really think that Divyang persons have a Divyang which takes them out >> of any problems? The Government must think of persons like us not >> only from the point of view of accessibility but also from safety and >> security. >> Sincerely, >> C. B. Kulkkarni >> >> On 06/12/2016, Shyam M. Sayanekar <sayane...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It >>> is easy to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do >>> not get solved by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if >>> you disagree with them. >>> Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear >>> several cases of the ATM cards getting stuck in the machine. We also >>> hear about the people getting robbed through their credit and debit >>> cards. If it is the case with the sighted people, how difficult it >>> can be for the visually impaired. Yours, professor Shyam M. >>> sayanekar. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ajay Minocha" <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> >>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning the disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:23 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making >>> online payments is tough call >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> It intirely depends on us if we want to see it half empty or half full. >>>> >>>> On 12/5/16, Shyam M. Sayanekar <sayane...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> A very good and factbased article. In fact a lot of discussion on >>>>> this issue should be unddertaken. Further, the risk factor >>>>> involved in cashless transactions with regard to the VI also has >>>>> to be taken into account. >>>>> Non-availability of network, the phones getting out of range are >>>>> also other issues. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Sruti disAbility Rights Centre" <sruti.d...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of >>>>> mobile phones and Tabs." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 3:49 PM >>>>> Subject: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making >>>>> online payments is tough call >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> *http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2016/11/23/for-millions-of-in >>>>>> dians-with-disabilities-making-payments-online-is-tough-call/ >>>>>> <http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2016/11/23/for-millions-of-in >>>>>> dians-with-disabilities-making-payments-online-is-tough-call/>* >>>>>> >>>>>> *BANGALORE, INDIA:* Booking cabs, buying food and making payments >>>>>> online seem like they’re just a swipe and a tap away, but for >>>>>> millions of Indians with disabilities, these apps are not >>>>>> designed for them to use. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> According to a study conducted by Centre for Internet and Society >>>>>> (CIS) >>>>>> last month, many of the most-commonly used mobile apps for food >>>>>> delivery, online payments, grocery shopping and transportation >>>>>> were not accessible to people with vision disabilities. The study >>>>>> covered 22 apps. >>>>>> >>>>>> The 2011 census puts the number of people with disabilities in >>>>>> the country at 26 million, while advocacy groups say the real >>>>>> figure is closer to >>>>>> 150 >>>>>> million. Last year, India recorded nearly nine billion downloads >>>>>> of mobile-based applications last year. >>>>>> >>>>>> “The national policy for universal electronic accessibility says >>>>>> that all IT products and services should be accessible. However, >>>>>> the government is still unable to implement it. Several >>>>>> government apps are inaccessible,” >>>>>> said Nirmita Narasimhan, policy director at CIS. CIS’s survey of >>>>>> some key government mobile based applications like My Gov, >>>>>> EPathshala and Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s official app found >>>>>> them to be severely lacking. >>>>>> The illiterate, aged and those not proficient in English would >>>>>> also struggle with the apps, the study found. The guidelines for >>>>>> government websites laid out accessibility standards in 2009. The >>>>>> 2013 national policy on universal electronic accessibility >>>>>> clearly upholds equal rights “ensuring that accessibility >>>>>> standards and guidelines and universal design concepts are >>>>>> adopted and adhered to.” >>>>>> >>>>>> However, most commonly-used apps fail to follow this. All 22 of >>>>>> the apps studied were privately owned but not all were fully >>>>>> compliant with universal standards. Of taxi-hailing apps Meru, >>>>>> Ola and Uber, only Uber was completely accessible to the >>>>>> disabled. The others had mis-labelled or unlabeled buttons and >>>>>> graphics. >>>>>> >>>>>> When it came to food delivery, Zomato was the best at replicating >>>>>> the user experience for people with disabilities. Swiggy and >>>>>> Foodpanda were difficult for new users, and Freshmenu was >>>>>> completely inaccessible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of the marketplace apps, Amazon and Snapdeal were the only >>>>>> accessible ones. >>>>>> Myntra and Flipkart had incorrectly labelled buttons and >>>>>> misleading graphic tags, which made them impossible for people >>>>>> with disabilities to use. >>>>>> For >>>>>> instance, customers would be able to select the product they >>>>>> wanted to buy but had no way of choosing the quantity, the study >>>>>> said. Online grocery delivery apps Grofers and Zop Now were hard >>>>>> for people with disabilities to use, while Big Basket was >>>>>> relatively better though pages change during orders. Online >>>>>> payment portals Paytm, Oxigen and FreeCharge were relatively >>>>>> accessible, the study found. >>>>>> >>>>>> “Designers, developers and industries need to realize that there >>>>>> are more people out there who use this technology .The market is >>>>>> much bigger and they should work towards being inclusive,” said >>>>>> Narasimhan of CIS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Albinder Dhinda, cofounder of grocery delivery service Grofers, >>>>>> said their app meets all accessibility requirements. “However, >>>>>> the disability tools provided by Google Play Store or the App >>>>>> Store often don’t benefit the user and are hard for them to use. >>>>>> We are trying to make it better. Things like online payments >>>>>> won’t be accessible to people with disabilities as those apps are >>>>>> supported by third party sites, and don’t fall within our >>>>>> settings. We’re trying to make it better. We’re three years >>>>>> behind the US, in the playground they made. 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