the qualification of the scribe should be one standard less what the post
requires not the qualification of candidate. if a clerk exam requires
minimum 12th pass then the scribe should be at 11th standard. no matter the
education of candidate whether is PHD or 12th. this means a PHD qualified
candidate can bring 11th pass person for scribe. only the regular students
or studying candidates should be allowed as scribe.
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From: Shweta Mishra
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:34 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines
right Kanchan mam.
but according to me, if a PHD candidate is allow to bring a graduate
scribe, then the twelfth passed candidate should also be allowed to
bring graduate scribe.
On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote:
No Harish. Shweta was more right than you.
So lets go with the clerk example.
There are 2 candidates-one has a PHD and one is a12th pass.
The12th pass can get a scribe who is not a 12th pass. The PHD can get a
scribe who is not a PhD but definitely more than a 12 pass. Sounds unfair
but actually it might solve this problem of professional writers.
Kanchan
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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf
Of Kotian, H P
Sent: 26 June 2018 14:44
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the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines
Hi
If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a clerk
for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 candidates one a
post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification to consider for the job
is HSC and not the qualification of the candidate.
Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in this
case.
I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. Mentioned
it
for illustration purpose.
Harish.
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Of Shweta Mishra
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM
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the disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines
hi friends!
it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with
different qualification.
for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is appearing
for
the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe criteria for both
candidates?
if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't it be
injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth passed
candidate
will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed scribe.
On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh <cornelyng...@gmail.com> wrote:
Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean
what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the
past I have always looked for graduates.
On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote:
Congrats!
Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in
qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and
meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory.
At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes.
Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream.
सादर / With thanks & Regards
राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning the disabled.'
Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines
Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already
heard what happened but let me explain a few issues
1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use of
scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and
definitely more than what we had demanded at different times.
2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem
because
no one really implemented the guidelines.
3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying that
these
guidelines were unfair.
4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines
gave
them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached writers.
5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers
complained
to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told.
6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 times
but
could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee.
7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at this
meeting on 20th June.
8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of U
PS
C
and SSC.
9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the Secretary
had
gone to meet the Minister.
10. Before she came in the other committee members gave theiropinion
on
the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give our
comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal meeting.
11. It was quite a hot debate.
12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the same
person
to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH.
This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the representative
down.
13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The
recommendations
of the Sub-committee were accepted.
14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right of
the
candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining
body can provide not less than a matriculate.
15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance.
16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be used.Our
committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the
original guidelines.
17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that they
are
not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this
should not be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this
list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem after
explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and squarely
attributable to the subcommittee.
18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be
less
in
qualification than the candidate.
19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only
with
the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational
qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound too
bad but ground realities will tell.
20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 cups
of
tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to
the courts.
21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is going
to
be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and
each of you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the
situation. You are responsible for what lies ahead. I know the
argument about supervision.
22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 people.
We
did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many weren't.
However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a
lot of diplomacy.
23. What will let us down is the continuous use of professional
scribes.
24. Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High Court
and
Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene.
25. Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and give
your
input on these crucial issues.
26. It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have to
face
a meetingwhere I am told that my people are cheating. I further wish
that none of my people suffer because of bad scribes.
Kanchan
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