good suggestion! if this can come visually impaired people can be more independent in writing Exams and that can avoid mal practices.
On 6/27/18, bhawani shankar verma <bsvermad...@gmail.com> wrote: > in my opinion, an audio player should be developed like an EVM machine. on > which a blind candidate can listen the question and can press the > appropriate button for the answer. filling of roll numbers etc can also be > digitised by that way. for descriptive papers, submition of audio file > should be allowed. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ashish Jha > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:43 PM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines > > Hi, > > I believe that the intension to allow one grade junier candidate as > scribe is to prevent malpractises and curb the use of professional > scribes. > Let us assume a situation. A VI candidate is appearing for Bank PO > examination or CAT which has graduation as eligibility. Ideally, as > per proposed guidelines, the scribe should be less than a graduate. > So, my understanding is that the scribe can be under graduate who is > studying in first or second year of the graduation. Now, let say that > the scribe is an IITian studying in 1st or 2nd year or in similar > premier institutions, considering him/her to be good enough in > mathematical/reasoning skills. > So, are we able to prevent the mal practise here with reducing the > eligibility criteria of the scribe? This is my dout please. > > I think a deep thoughts should be given before concluding, so that it > should not become a real challenge for a deserving candidate in > appearing examination and giving their best. There are instances, > specially in remote and small urban areas where deserving candidate > struggle with getting scribe and adding further limitations may turn > things more complicated for them. This can further be thought for the > North Eastern areas where again literacy is not very significant and > they need to rely on their limited resources. > Presently, I believe, there are only few institutions like UPSC where > a candidate can opt for a scribe of the institution itself, if they > find difficult to manage their own scribe. > > I believe that the vigillant system shall be strengthened at very > first level by the examiner. I can recall, an Provisional IPS was > caught last year while writing UPSC CS Mains examination while using > his digital device. So, similar vigilant system shall be there while > VI writing his/her examination. > > Yes, I am in line if laptop is allowed as an alternative solution, but > the care should be taken about the accessibility of the design of the > question paper. I think this can go in long run. > > > > On 6/26/18, Yogesh Chhabra <yogesh4...@gmail.com> wrote: >> respected members and kanchan mam, >> after reading the proposed guidelines I have some queries and >> situations which I am unable to see the solutions, >> 1, according to the proposed guidelines, the scribe should be one >> class below the candidates qualification then suppose if I am a >> language student like German and I am appearing for my first year >> exam. At this time who will be my scribe? whom should I take as a >> scribe for my first year examination? I am asking this because no one >> can read german or any other language and according to this situation >> I need to take one class lower scribe, that means in my case the 12th >> standard or below 12th class student. similarly, there are many >> courses in JNU and other universities like French, Spanish, ETC. who >> will be the scribe for such students in their first year course? >> 2. If I am a student of 11th standard and I have taken maths as one of >> my subject then I have to take 10th standard student as my scribe, but >> at the time of my examinations, the 10th standard students are also >> having their examination so I have no choice and I have to take 9th >> standard student to write my math examination. here the situation is >> that the 11th standard math and 9th standard's math is totally >> different and most of the things will be new for the scribe and he >> will find it difficult to read it for me. so in this situation, who >> will be my scribe? >> 3. suppose me and my brother are appearing for the railway examination >> and we both are visually impaired. my qualification is post graduate >> and my brother's qualification is 12th standard and both are eligible >> for this examination. according to the proposed scribe guidelines, I >> can take the scribe who is pursuing post graduation and my brother can >> take the 11th standard scribe only. >> This situation will occur in the SSC 12th standard higher secondary >> level examination also. >> >> so friends, what are the solutions for these situations? >> >> On 6/26/18, Siva Suresh <sivasureshka...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> waw! amazing discussion. it was very helpful and people will be >>> greatly benifited if we have a strong guidelines for getting scribes. >>> at the same time we should support the people who are talking on our >>> behalf. I thank Kanchan for your great effort to support every >>> visually impaired friends across india. it was a very helpful >>> discussion for every one. >>> >>> Thank you. Shivasuresh >>> >>> >>> On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Shweta please don’t say you cant get a scribe because the Authorities >>>> are >>>> saying that they will provide and we don’t have to worry. >>>> All my effort will go to nought. >>>> K >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Shweta Mishra >>>> Sent: 26 June 2018 16:30 >>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>> concerning >>>> the disabled. >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>>> >>>> but bhawani sir, it'll be very difficult for many candidates to get a >>>> good >>>> studying scribe,because these days, students are very busy in their own >>>> assignments. then how will they be able to give their precious time to >>>> some >>>> one? >>>> >>>> On 6/26/18, bhawani shankar verma <bsvermad...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> the qualification of the scribe should be one standard less what the >>>>> post requires not the qualification of candidate. if a clerk exam >>>>> requires minimum 12th pass then the scribe should be at 11th standard. >>>>> no matter the education of candidate whether is PHD or 12th. this >>>>> means a PHD qualified candidate can bring 11th pass person for scribe. >>>>> only the regular students or studying candidates should be allowed as >>>>> scribe. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Shweta Mishra >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:34 PM >>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>> concerning the disabled. >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>>>> >>>>> right Kanchan mam. >>>>> but according to me, if a PHD candidate is allow to bring a graduate >>>>> scribe, then the twelfth passed candidate should also be allowed to >>>>> bring graduate scribe. >>>>> >>>>> On 6/26/18, Kanchan Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> No Harish. Shweta was more right than you. >>>>>> So lets go with the clerk example. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are 2 candidates-one has a PHD and one is a12th pass. >>>>>> The12th pass can get a scribe who is not a 12th pass. The PHD can get >>>>>> a scribe who is not a PhD but definitely more than a 12 pass. Sounds >>>>>> unfair but actually it might solve this problem of professional >>>>>> writers. >>>>>> Kanchan >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Kotian, H P >>>>>> Sent: 26 June 2018 14:44 >>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>>> concerning the disabled. >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> If I understand the scenario correct for example the post is for a >>>>>> clerk for which the minimum qualification is HSC, there are 2 >>>>>> candidates one a post graduate and another a HSC. The qualification >>>>>> to consider for the job is HSC and not the qualification of the >>>>>> candidate. >>>>>> Therefore the qualification for a scribe should not be HSC passed in >>>>>> this case. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am aware the minimum qualification for clerk is no more HSC. >>>>>> Mentioned it for illustration purpose. >>>>>> >>>>>> Harish. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Shweta Mishra >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:51 PM >>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>>> concerning the disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>>>>> >>>>>> hi friends! >>>>>> it means, scribe criteria will be different for for candidates with >>>>>> different qualification. >>>>>> for example, a post graduate and a twelfth passed candidate is >>>>>> appearing for the same competitive exam, then what will be scribe >>>>>> criteria for both candidates? >>>>>> if a post graduate candidate will bring graduate scribe, then won't >>>>>> it be injustice to the twelfth passed candidate? because twelfth >>>>>> passed candidate will be allowed to bring maximum eleventh passed >>>>>> scribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/26/18, Lyngdoh <cornelyng...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Can someone help me out with scribe for SBI PO 2018 exams... I mean >>>>>>> what qualification shall I ask for from my to be scribe then? In the >>>>>>> past I have always looked for graduates. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/26/18, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: >>>>>>>> Congrats! >>>>>>>> Retention of capacity to choose own scribe, though less in >>>>>>>> qualification than oneself, along with freedom to use devices, and >>>>>>>> meet the scribe two days in advance is a superb victory. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At least folks now at least, stop using professional scribes. >>>>>>>> Accessible exams, if online or computerized, is the ultimate dream. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> सादर / With thanks & Regards >>>>>>>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani >>>>>>>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM >>>>>>>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU >>>>>>>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India नागपुर Nagpur >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 0712 2806846 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> President >>>>>>>> VIBEWA >>>>>>>> Co-Moderator >>>>>>>> VIB-India >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and >>>>>>>> laughter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] >>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani >>>>>>>> Sent: 25 June 2018 16:18 >>>>>>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>>>>> concerning the disabled.' >>>>>>>> Subject: [AI] Scribe guidelines >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry folks for not reporting for 2 days. A lot of you have already >>>>>>>> heard what happened but let me explain a few issues >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. You all know that in 2013 we got new guidelines for the use >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> scribes. This was far and beyond what had been given by Courts and >>>>>>>> definitely more than what we had demanded at different times. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. So far about one year there was not too much of a problem >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> no one really implemented the guidelines. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Then the penny dropped-U PS C and others started saying >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>> guidelines were unfair. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. Some of our own VI candidates decided that these guidelines >>>>>>>> gave >>>>>>>> them the right to have overqualified or should I say coached >>>>>>>> writers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5. Our other VI who suffered because of the special writers >>>>>>>> complained >>>>>>>> to U P S C and to the Courts-Bombay and Eranakulam I am told. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 6. Then the Government set up our committee. We met about 3 >>>>>>>> times >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> could not agree so the MSJE set up a sub-committee. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 7. This subcommittee gave a report which we had to discuss at >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> meeting on 20th June. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 8. I had shared the sub-committee's report and the comments of >>>>>>>> U >>>>>>>> PS >>>>>>>> C >>>>>>>> and SSC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 9. Our meeting started an hour and half late because the >>>>>>>> Secretary >>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>> gone to meet the Minister. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 10. Before she came in the other committee members gave >>>>>>>> theiropinion >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the subcommittees report. Only Mr. Rungta and I were left to give >>>>>>>> our comments when the Secretary arrived and we started the formal >>>>>>>> meeting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 11. It was quite a hot debate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 12. The problem with govt agencies is that they don't send the >>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>> person >>>>>>>> to the followup meetings. This includes U P S C and our own NIVH. >>>>>>>> This hampers progressive discussion and we cannot pin the >>>>>>>> representative down. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 13. There was no problem with compensatory time etc. The >>>>>>>> recommendations >>>>>>>> of the Sub-committee were accepted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 14. So what have we won or should I say retained-the first right >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> candidate to choose his scribe. If not available then the Examining >>>>>>>> body can provide not less than a matriculate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 15. Further you can meet your scribe 2 days in advance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 16. Some other devices etc for other disabilities that can be >>>>>>>> used.Our >>>>>>>> committee added to Sub committee recommendations. This added to the >>>>>>>> original guidelines. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 17. The only problem with the subcommittee's suggestion is that >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> not allowing you to use your own laptop. I however feel that this >>>>>>>> should not be in the guidelines. I know atleast 2 members on this >>>>>>>> list who have used their own laptops and didn't have a problem >>>>>>>> after explanations. This may be considered to be a loss and >>>>>>>> squarely attributable to the subcommittee. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 18. Now the loss that will bother us some day-the scribe has to be >>>>>>>> less >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> qualification than the candidate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 19. So this guideline has got nothing to do with the exam but only >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> the candidate. Keeping in mind that the minimum educational >>>>>>>> qualification for a scribe is matriculation. This does not sound >>>>>>>> too bad but ground realities will tell. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 20. So the meeting ended about three and half hours later with 2 >>>>>>>> cups >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> tea and 4 biscuits thrown in. The Secretary will have to report to >>>>>>>> the courts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 21. The fact that we have the right to choose our own scribe is >>>>>>>> going >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be debated over and over again until we stop the malpractises and >>>>>>>> each of you reading my email or whatsapp need to take care of the >>>>>>>> situation. You are responsible for what lies ahead. I know the >>>>>>>> argument about supervision. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 22. It is not an easy task to take the whole room on by just 2 >>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>> did it because you gave us strength. We were prepared and many >>>>>>>> weren't. >>>>>>>> However it has taken lots of persuasion, anger, raised voices and a >>>>>>>> lot of diplomacy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 23. What will let us down is the continuous use of professional >>>>>>>> scribes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 24. Please help by giving me the reference to the Bombay High >>>>>>>> Court >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Eranakulam cases. We will have to intervene. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 25. Thanks to each of you who respond to my urgent requests and >>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> input on these crucial issues. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 26. It has been 12 years battling this menace. I wish I dint have >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> face >>>>>>>> a meetingwhere I am told that my people are cheating. 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