Hello ishan jain, I was in the similar situation in final year of graduation please consider 1st example from your reply. I had appeared for the final year of graduation university exam with scribe Who could not read English properly so it has impacted my career severely. I had scored 1st class in 1st year and 2nd year. In final year my result gone down below 55 % because I couldn't find scribe who could read and write English properly. When result was out My professor couldn't believe. I had spent lot of time for the exam preparation but no use. We need to advocate for better Infrastructure. Computer based exam is the only for Efficiency and Transparency.
On 8/22/22, ishan sangi <jsiya1...@gmail.com> wrote: > hellow everyone > > this is my 2nd mail on this topic > > let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions which > I need answers from all of you > > case 1. > a student of class x who is blind he prepare for his class x exam and he > was sure that he will score well in Exams. on the day of exam the bord > give him scribe but the scribe was not good with english but student does > not want to spoil his exam he started with exam, after scribe started > facing problems with pronunciation he started to speeking spelling > e.g. transaction he told t r a n s a c t I o n since the student was from > english medium school he was given best scribe in previous exams. and now > he was faseing problem but he was understanding and answering questions, > when student was answering questions he have to tell most of word in the > form of spelling e.g. if student want to dictate isolation he have to do > like I s o l a t I o n which is taking time > please note that > the scribe was from senter and was studying in class IX > because of this the student got only 64 % > > part end > questions > what was the falt of student? > now who is responsible for this? > > case 2 > this time that student opted for PC based exam for his class XII exam he > was having subjects accounts, English, economics, business studies, maths > and psychology on the first day he has paper of accounts when he reached > on his examination center he found out that the computers were not fine and > screen reader was crashing he suffered from time shortage harf of his > paper was unattempted > 2nd day when he having english exam things were fine he did his paper > before time and came back home > 3rd day when he has maths paper the screen reader was not reading question > properly again his paper was not good e.g. screen reader was reading times > simble as X pai simble as !! divided simble as dash or plus, union simble > U and 2 upon 5 as 2 > 5 > next day psychology paper was good > but on the day of economics paper because of OCR problem again > mathematical simble were not read properly and 5X5 XY graf was told like > xx > 5 > 4 > 33 > 2 > 1 > 012345 > how will he answer questions like these > on the day of business studys paper suddenly computer got stopd, and it > wasn't started after many tries. > on the result day > he got psychology 97 English 99 economics 43 maths 50 accounts 59 and in > business study paper it was 0 > total 348/600=58% > his pre boad result > he got psychology 87 English 90 economics 93 maths 90 accounts 99 and in > business study 95 > total 554/600 > > he can't make to his dream college > case end > what was the falt of student? > now who is responsible for this? > shouldn't we have to improve infrastructure first? > who will lisson his part? > what about his hardwork? > should he stop studying subjects like economics, maths etc? > > > now if we are talking about scribe vs screan reader what is write > > > note both cases are not related to any live or ded person > > want to just explain how are problems are different in real life > > > and yes I was just putting my points > don't want to hert anyone's feelling > regards > ishan jain > co founder of EscaFate EdTech > student of indian institute of management indore > alumni of KiroriMal College University of Delhi > contact at > WhatsAPP <https://wa.me/919462942428> > LinkedIn <https://www.LinkedIn.com/in/ishan-escafate> > official mail ishan.j...@escafate.com > > WhatsApp <https://wa.me/919462942428> > contact > > On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 9:02 AM Marisport A <marispor...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear AI members, >> >> This is a good discussion. >> >> When we were asked to give our voice on NEP on Disabilities, we have >> given our views on macro level and few points on each type of >> disabilities. however, I opine the outcome based inclusive education >> is the need of the hour. >> >> when we are thinking about scribe related mal practices I would like >> to highlight the following points,- >> >> 1) scribe as an option given to visually impaired who is totally or >> partially blind. >> >> 2) the total blind has the option of learning screen reader from the >> beginning >> or using scribe from the beginning or both. however, the low vision >> candidates may not have the experience of the both from beginning. In >> fact, I come across some of the low vision candidates have opted for >> scribe due to the font size and other technical glitches in the >> examination. >> >> 3) I have appeared a group 4 exam in TNPSC, I have been allotted a >> scribe and at the time of commencement of the exam, the examiner asked >> the scribe to record our conversation during the exam in an audio >> cassette. I opine that this can be adopted as best practice; but, >> there is a possibility of haggling arrangement between the scribe and >> the blind candidate. >> >> 4). audio and video recording of the entire exam by the blind while >> using scribe could be a viable option; for this, mobile of examiner or >> other people can be used for the recording. >> >> 5). though bringing scribe is given as an option to blind candidate >> still, I advocate that government should have pool of scribe with >> adequate qualification as per the requirements of each exams so that, >> states and PSUs could minimize these mal practices. I would like to >> highlight that my struggle on finding scribe during covid time while >> writing swayam exam was very painful. >> >> 6) we should not forget stories of how genuine candidates who lost >> their class exams and competitive exams due to unqualified scribes. >> >> 7) now option of scribe is also provided to other bench mark >> disabilities as well; hence, I also emphasize to widen the discussion >> for having comprehensive scribe policy. >> >> Regards, >> Dr. A. Marisport >> >> >> >> >> On 8/20/22, Pranav Lal <pranav....@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Vaibhav, >> > >> > >> > >> > I would have agreed a few years ago where screen readers did indeed >> > have >> > different keystrokes. However, these days, most screen readers have >> adopted >> > similar keyboard layouts. Yes, there are differences but those are >> > shrinking. I use nvda, orca, narrator and jaws routinely. For basic >> > word >> > processing, the keystrokes are virtually the same. The same applies to >> > navigating on the internet. Yes, jaws has forms mode, nvda has focus >> > mode >> > but that is a difference in terminology. >> > >> > >> > >> > Computer trouble can hit any one and in any exam center. I was recently >> > taking an exam at prometric where there was a delay of 2 hours because >> the >> > exam software was not coming up. >> > >> > Note: >> > >> > I was using a scribe for that exam, screen readers were not permitted. >> > >> > >> > >> > Pranav >> > >> > -- >> > Disclaimer: >> > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >> > of >> the >> > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >> > veracity; >> > >> > 2. 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