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-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Khem chand Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:04 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style hello good after non and happy well in times day forall access india's teem i will be vary aknodge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Viraj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > Hi, > > Please note that nowhere in its guidelines this list emphasises on any > particular standard of language to be maintained. Besides, people joining > this list are of various educational levels and background. To expect from > all of us to use a perfectly refined English, therefore, does not appear > justified. True, one must always improve. But one must not make a regid > distinction in terms of being higher or lower in terms of one's language > skills. As Ved Prakash sir said, one can always ask for clarifications if > things do not sound clear. I would add that there seems no problem if one > suggests someone to improve his/her language skills. But I see no reasons > to > get "appalled", nor do we should behave to someone as if one has committed > some crime. > > You haven't named anyone. But it is more than obvious that you reacted to > Govind's introductory mail. The mistakes he made by no means barred us > from > understanding what he want to say or request. Having a career of a voice > and > accent trainer (or any career for that matter) ahead, he will have to do a > lot of hard work, true. But for no good reason should he take his > achievements so far as a matter of "shame". > > What appears appalling to me is the way someone has to apologise for once > communication method, even when that method, albeit a bit odd in terms of > grammar and syntax, was sufficient enough to convey his ideas. Let this > list > not be a place restricted only for perfect English speakers/writers, but > the > one in which we all, regardless of our communication skills, can exchange > our ideas, views and knowledge on the topics meant to be discussed here. > > Regards. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ketan Kothari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style > > >>I do not understand what your problem is, Amit. If people feel insulted >> then all the more they would try to improve. And, remember, I have not >> named anyone. I still maintain what I wrote the other day and shall >> continue to do so. If I am coming across as offensive the moderator is >> free >> to ban me. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amit Bhatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style >> >> >>> Dear Ketan, >>> Nobody would like to differ with the thought that one must always try to >>> improve his language skills and I Am happy to know that you want let >>> others >>> to enhance their abilities and skills but see, from psychological point >>> of >>> view, I seriously doubt whether everyone will be that much of mentally >>> strong enough to be advised in front of over 400 members. Specially when >>> we >>> write like: "If you expect to become voice and accent trainer and this >>> is >>> the language you use then ... God may help you. The spelling and >>> grammar >>> errors in the mails are just shocking." >>> My only concern is that why we need to give our comment with such >>> statements >>> between the public while we endeavor to make someone correct. >>> And then I Am also not sure whether use of words like "great shame" will >>> encourage and help someone enriching his skills. >>> Giving the right direction is indeed in our favor but making such >>> statement >>> in public seems to me like surplus to the requirements. >>> "Appreciate in public and criticize in private." I think this principal >>> should be followed when we want a person to work towards improvisation >>> of >>> any skill. >>> Moreover, this is not a language development forum. I never ever said >>> that >>> enhancement of our skills is not required but I just wanted to convey >>> the >>> right way to make someone understand on the group of the people. >>> Please do not take me otherwise. These are my own views and thoughts >>> and >>> have no intention to go against you or anyone else. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Amit Bhatt >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ketan Kothari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style >>> >>> >>>> I am distressed to write again. I feel that we have decided to be the >>>> second best at all times. My humble submission is that we must aim at >>> being >>>> the best as far as possible. In fact, only because we are not native >>>> speakers of English we need to take special care. Also, when we claim >>>> to >>>> have acquired formal education upto a certain level a definitive >>>> standard >>> is >>>> expected of us. >>>> >>>> If all this sounds discouraging, then God save us. We do not deserve >>>> to >>> get >>>> any better reception in society than we get presently. In fact, we >>>> must >>>> always aim higher. I am not at all talking all this from a pedestal >>>> but >>>> would be really ashamed if I am not able to maintain a certain standard >>>> of >>>> language capabilities after a certain level of education. Let us not >>>> be >>>> apologetic of our mistakes but learn whenever we can and from wherever >>>> we >>>> can. I think the list is for healthy discussion in a way that is >>>> comfortable and comprehensible. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Amit Bhatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 4:12 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style >>>> >>>> >>>> > Only good written and spoken language is not quite enough to prove >>>> > that >>>> > you >>>> > are a gentleman or a person with good understanding. If we talk about >>>> > mistakes, then why to focus on language only, why not to take other >>>> > part >>>> > of >>>> > our mistakes. I simply mean, are we not committing any mistake by >>>> > discussing >>>> > this off topic on the list? You rightly said: We are not English >>> teachers >>>> > and I would also like to add in favor of your statement that even >>>> > taking >>>> > such language classes are perhaps not allowed here! >>>> > I think improving language skills is secondary matter but >>>> > concentrating >>>> > towards betterment of attitude and civilization on priority bases is >>> most >>>> > necessary for some of our members. Secondly, I too didn't like the >>>> > way >>> of >>>> > some people of providing solution to other in a most discouraging >>>> > expression. One is need to be very careful and encouraging while >>>> > making >>>> > other understand. Encouraging other for their good is a moral duty of >>>> > every >>>> > human being but the way should not be that insulting. >>>> > If we are really serious in making other people fine in every aspect, >>> then >>>> > we don't need to let other feel shy or humiliated, we need to let >>>> > them >>>> > feel >>>> > comfortable and confident. >>>> > We have started discussing this matter like nun of us had any >>>> > relevant >>>> > subject to discuss here! I think Mr. Gobind or any member could be >>>> > suggested >>>> > at his personal ID with some better way. >>>> > Dear Gobind, You don't need to be apologized, there is nothing that >>>> > you >>>> > feel sorry for any mistake. We all are here to learn and provide the >>> right >>>> > solution. No one is deputed here to observe the language mistakes. If >>>> > we >>>> > understand the problem or matter by his or her expression, we are >>>> > simply >>>> > expected to respond just that query in spite of making an issue. A >>> person >>>> > can learn well in a friendly and good environment. So friends, please >>>> > teach >>>> > and let other have an opportunity to learn English or whatever but >>>> > first >>>> > create an atmosphere in order to fulfill the aims. >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > >>>> > Amit Bhatt >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:13 AM >>>> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >> I think that Improvisation should be the goal for us in terms of our >>>> >> language skills. However one should bear in mind that none of us are >>>> >> native English speakers and henceforth we should be very careful >>>> >> wwhile evaluating others and after all, we are not English teachers >>>> >> here on the list and I am a bit unhappy about the big brother >>>> >> attitude. I am also a bit dessatisfied in such comments about >>>> >> other's >>>> >> poor communicative skills. Having said that I leave any further >>>> >> comment on this topic to the moderators. But just a word before I >>>> >> sign-off on this topic and it goes out to those with poor >>>> >> communicative skills. Hey guise, you have nothing to loose. If I >>>> >> would >>>> >> have taken such dominating attitude seriously, then I would not have >>>> >> been where I am today. Therefore you have nothing to loose but to >>>> >> gain >>>> >> your self confidence. >>>> >> >>>> >> Vetri. >>>> >> >>>> >> On 09/02/2008, Abdul Razique <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >> > I totally agree with Shadab bhai. >>>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> > From: "Shadab Husain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:35 PM >>>> >> > Subject: Re: [AI] Writing style >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > > Writing style is something which cannot be changed as it >>>> >> > > reflects >>> our >>>> >> > > nature - so I presume the subject for this discussion should be >>> "Mind >>>> >> > > your language" or if this sounds offensive then "Check your >>> language" >>>> >> > > to begin with. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > Well, I would say that there is no need telling others to write >>>> >> > > correct grammar here because the chief motive of this list is to >>>> >> > > solve >>>> >> > > the problems of blinds and not to promote good language skills - >>>> >> > > however, to my amazement, I have seen folks joining with poor >>>> >> > > language >>>> >> > > and soon bringing a remarkable refinement in their language by >>>> >> > > reading >>>> >> > > and writing here. Would it not be hobbling for them if we >>> discourage >>>> >> > > them from the very outset by such insensitive comments? Tell me. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > It is plain common sense that nobody will make a dork of himself >>>> >> > > by >>>> >> > > intentionally making a blunder before such a great number of >>> members. >>>> >> > > We should not send out such discouraging comments because they >>> might >>>> >> > > suppress many bright futures beneath bashfulness. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > I will simply add logic prevails and this Mr Subramani would be >>> well >>>> >> > > knowing as he would have edited many great thinkers with poor >>>> >> > > language. So there is no need caring a gory toss for English >>> grammar >>>> >> > > here. Cracking such books and quickly dashing it off has always >>> been >>>> >> > > a >>>> >> > > damn fun for me - try, you might enjoy it. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > Dear Govind, >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > Congratulations. I presume in future your best selling point >>>> >> > > will >>> be >>>> >> > > your courage of frankly expressing yourself. Get on with the >>>> >> > > life - >>>> >> > > it >>>> >> > > has a habit of welcoming the encouraged ones. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > Friends, I was not writing on this topic - but I did want to >>>> >> > > encourage >>>> >> > > the members who do not have a good English background like me >>>> >> > > and >>>> >> > > therefore might refrain from posting on the list. This was the >>>> >> > > only >>>> >> > > reason why I was bound - pardon me if I hurt anybody. I do not >>>> >> > > promise >>>> >> > > responding on this as I am very busy these days - so I send my >>>> >> > > best >>>> >> > > wishes to everybody, with undying hopes and encouraging regards, >>>> >> > > Shadab Husain >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >> > > with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>> changes, >>>> >> > > please visit the list home page at >>>> >> > > >>>> > >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of >>>> >> > > virus >>>> >> > > signature database 2861 (20080209) __________ >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > http://www.eset.com >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > To unsubscribe send a message to >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > with >>>> >> > the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>> >> > changes, >>>> > please >>>> >> > visit the list home page at >>>> >> > >>>> > >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >> >>>> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other >>>> >> changes, >>>> > please visit the list home page at >>>> >> >>>> > >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> > >>>> > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> > please visit the list home page at >>>> > >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1277 - Release Date: 2/13/2008 > 8:00 PM > Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. 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