I suppose my response did not hit the list, so I am re sending.
Harish
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Subject: Re: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind
person understand the concept of colours
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2023 10:03:16 +0530
From: Harish Kotian <hpkot...@outlook.com>
To: Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) <ykhan...@gmail.com>,
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Hi Yamuna
CG is a text based engine. We give text to our emotions. meaning we
experience emotions like love etc. the consciousness of emotion is
different than the text based association with emotion.
The CG probably learns the different ways the emotions are used and
based on the learning it may be manipulating it in different ways.
Undoubtedly, the output it throws out is frighteningly human like. It
will not be possible to distinguish a machine output with a human
generated output.
I have now been using it to learn various things and the learning is
definitely great. It is now my learned teacher who knows all and has the
capability to explain in a way I can comprehend easily.
As our perception of things is now primarily textual, CG can be put to
good use.
I don't think you need to jump into a conclusion regarding the faith you
are holding and CG is no competitor. The more you use it, you will find
certain patterns of its output.
Harish
On 06/04/2023 17:41, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) wrote:
Harish Bhai!
No way! I cannot believe it! Are you sure you did not write that
excellent poem yourself?
This effort requires appreciation of human emotion such as “love” and
“hope”. Something not conscious in the way we are, cannot use those
concepts in such creatively and knowing ways. You have to actually
realize these feelings to do that, not so?
I mean, in the same way that a blind person from birth cannot properly
express the subtleties of colours in a poem until they are directly
given associations with other sensory experiences to compare? And
since a non-living entity does not have any sensory and what to speak
of emotional experience (realization), then how can it do what you
just described, is completely frightening.
Does it now experience human consciousness?
If so that would destroy the very foundation of my faith: that God is
the only designer of consciousness.
Surely it cannot be consciously experiencing anything, to do what it does?
Please say how then can it do this otherwise!
For now I’m shocked so severely that my emotions are affected and my
breathing has actually become shallow on reading this poem, as if
someone has just nocked the wind out of my stomach.
Yamuna Jivana Dasa
*From:* Harish Kotian <mailto:hpkot...@outlook.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, April 06, 2023 4:51 PM
*To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in ; Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
<mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind
person understand the concept of colours
Hi
You are correct in your comments. However, Chat-gpt is expected to
understand natural language and makes necessary allowances. However,
it correctly understood the intend and responded correctly.
Ketan and others- it too admitted it is not possible to give an exact
experience however it did best to put across the points in the best
ways possible.
The important point was did it make any headway at all in
comprehending this concept. Were the examples helpful at all?
I was sort of trying to test its capability. I asked it to write a
poetry on 'celebrating emptyness'.
I suppose it would have found very little in terms of learning from
earlier responses as there would have been very little to fall back on
a topic like this which as a topic is difficult to catch in the first
place.
Hold on for a moment and think what you would have come up with this
topic.
now compare with its response:
Here are the lines with Chat GPT has penned. I have already done a
google search and plagiarism check.
Sure, here's a poem that celebrates emptiness:
Emptiness, a blank canvas, unadorned
A space for growth, a chance to be reborn
A void to fill, a space to create
A world of possibility, it's ours to make
It's not a emptiness of loss or lack
But one of hope, a second chance at back
A space to breathe, to start anew
A chance to see what you can do
Emptiness, a space for the soul
A place to grow, to find a goal
A journey ahead, with endless dreams
A world of hope, or so it seems
So let us embrace this emptiness with pride
And fill it with love, from deep inside
A new beginning, a chance to thrive
Emptiness, a gift for which to strive.
Harish
On 05/04/2023 17:52, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) wrote:
Dear Harish Bhai,
Very nice explanation. However I would reconsider words like
“understand” and “Comprehend”, replacing those with words like
“associations” or “Analogy” Etc.
I say this because we must be clear to the sighted world, and even
the totally blind who have seen before, that it is currently not
possible to allow a blind-from-birth person to actually realize by
experience the concept of colour. At best we can make associations
with other sensory experiences we do know. My personal experience is
that they just can’t imagine it that our brains do not realize the
experience at all, and so we cannot imagine the actual experience
even in our minds or in dreams. They are often blown away and can’t
comprehend the extent that we cannot know by actual realization, in
as much as our minds are blown away when we think of trying to have
the actual experience of colour.
One time back in South Africa, I was trying to explain my difficulty
of realizing relative North in a known spacial context without
clearly having another direction defined to me.
I struggled to help this totally blind, formally sighted friend
appreciate how I do not have much of a mental map in my head. He
couldn’t see my point, and I gently let it go. Now having said that,
there are other born-blind people who seem to have a far better
spacial dimension than I do, so perhaps it’s just my own shortcoming.
I leave that to think about.
Nice discussion. Thanks.
Yamuna Jivana Dasa
*From:* Harish Kotian <mailto:hpkot...@outlook.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 05, 2023 5:34 PM
*To:* AccessIndia:a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning thedisabled. <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
*Subject:* [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind
person understand the concept of colours
Hi
An interesting response to the captioned query:
Understanding the concept of colors for a person who is blind from
birth or has severe visual impairments can be challenging. However,
there are several ways in which a blind person can comprehend colors:
1.
Associating colors with other sensory experiences: Colors can be
associated with sounds, tastes, textures, and smells. For example,
red can be associated with the taste of spicy food or the sound of a
trumpet.
2.
Learning color names through verbal description: A sighted person can
describe colors to a blind person using words such as "red is warm
like fire" or "blue is cool like water."
3.
Touch-based systems: There are various touch-based systems, such as
raised line drawings, tactile graphics, and Braille labels, that can
help a blind person understand colors. These systems use different
textures or shapes to represent different colors.
4.
Technology: With the advancement of technology, there are now devices
such as color recognition apps, which can help a blind person
identify colors. These apps use a smartphone camera to detect and
identify colors and announce them through audio output.
Overall, understanding colors for a blind person may require
creativity, patience, and an openness to different ways of
experiencing the world.
Harish
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