Hi Harish,
I’ve been playing with it some more, and yes I see what you’ve explained more
clearly now also. It was also able to explain to me how it mimics human emotion
by a library of word meaning associations that replicate an understanding of
human emotions.
Still, it is very impressive that man has able to build it that way, so that,
as you rightly said it is difficult to immediately distinguish from a human
response.
Of course my faith was not really shaken; but to express my level of surprise I
naturally felt the need to emotionalize it that way! <smile> The wind was
nearly nocked out of me for real!
Yamuna Jivana Dasa
From: Harish Kotian
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2023 10:03 AM
To: Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) ; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person
understand the concept of colours
Hi Yamuna
CG is a text based engine. We give text to our emotions. meaning we experience
emotions like love etc. the consciousness of emotion is different than the text
based association with emotion.
The CG probably learns the different ways the emotions are used and based on
the learning it may be manipulating it in different ways.
Undoubtedly, the output it throws out is frighteningly human like. It will not
be possible to distinguish a machine output with a human generated output.
I have now been using it to learn various things and the learning is definitely
great. It is now my learned teacher who knows all and has the capability to
explain in a way I can comprehend easily.
As our perception of things is now primarily textual, CG can be put to good use.
I don't think you need to jump into a conclusion regarding the faith you are
holding and CG is no competitor. The more you use it, you will find certain
patterns of its output.
Harish
On 06/04/2023 17:41, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) wrote:
Harish Bhai!
No way! I cannot believe it! Are you sure you did not write that excellent
poem yourself?
This effort requires appreciation of human emotion such as “love” and “hope”.
Something not conscious in the way we are, cannot use those concepts in such
creatively and knowing ways. You have to actually realize these feelings to do
that, not so?
I mean, in the same way that a blind person from birth cannot properly
express the subtleties of colours in a poem until they are directly given
associations with other sensory experiences to compare? And since a non-living
entity does not have any sensory and what to speak of emotional experience
(realization), then how can it do what you just described, is completely
frightening.
Does it now experience human consciousness?
If so that would destroy the very foundation of my faith: that God is the
only designer of consciousness.
Surely it cannot be consciously experiencing anything, to do what it does?
Please say how then can it do this otherwise!
For now I’m shocked so severely that my emotions are affected and my
breathing has actually become shallow on reading this poem, as if someone has
just nocked the wind out of my stomach.
Yamuna Jivana Dasa
From: Harish Kotian
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2023 4:51 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in ; Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan)
Subject: Re: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person
understand the concept of colours
Hi
You are correct in your comments. However, Chat-gpt is expected to understand
natural language and makes necessary allowances. However, it correctly
understood the intend and responded correctly.
Ketan and others- it too admitted it is not possible to give an exact
experience however it did best to put across the points in the best ways
possible.
The important point was did it make any headway at all in comprehending this
concept. Were the examples helpful at all?
I was sort of trying to test its capability. I asked it to write a poetry on
'celebrating emptyness'.
I suppose it would have found very little in terms of learning from earlier
responses as there would have been very little to fall back on a topic like
this which as a topic is difficult to catch in the first place.
Hold on for a moment and think what you would have come up with this topic.
now compare with its response:
Here are the lines with Chat GPT has penned. I have already done a google
search and plagiarism check.
Sure, here's a poem that celebrates emptiness:
Emptiness, a blank canvas, unadorned
A space for growth, a chance to be reborn
A void to fill, a space to create
A world of possibility, it's ours to make
It's not a emptiness of loss or lack
But one of hope, a second chance at back
A space to breathe, to start anew
A chance to see what you can do
Emptiness, a space for the soul
A place to grow, to find a goal
A journey ahead, with endless dreams
A world of hope, or so it seems
So let us embrace this emptiness with pride
And fill it with love, from deep inside
A new beginning, a chance to thrive
Emptiness, a gift for which to strive.
Harish
On 05/04/2023 17:52, Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan) wrote:
Dear Harish Bhai,
Very nice explanation. However I would reconsider words like “understand”
and “Comprehend”, replacing those with words like “associations” or “Analogy”
Etc.
I say this because we must be clear to the sighted world, and even the
totally blind who have seen before, that it is currently not possible to allow
a blind-from-birth person to actually realize by experience the concept of
colour. At best we can make associations with other sensory experiences we do
know. My personal experience is that they just can’t imagine it that our brains
do not realize the experience at all, and so we cannot imagine the actual
experience even in our minds or in dreams. They are often blown away and can’t
comprehend the extent that we cannot know by actual realization, in as much as
our minds are blown away when we think of trying to have the actual experience
of colour.
One time back in South Africa, I was trying to explain my difficulty of
realizing relative North in a known spacial context without clearly having
another direction defined to me.
I struggled to help this totally blind, formally sighted friend appreciate
how I do not have much of a mental map in my head. He couldn’t see my point,
and I gently let it go. Now having said that, there are other born-blind people
who seem to have a far better spacial dimension than I do, so perhaps it’s just
my own shortcoming. I leave that to think about.
Nice discussion. Thanks.
Yamuna Jivana Dasa
From: Harish Kotian
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2023 5:34 PM
To: AccessIndia:a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
thedisabled.
Subject: [AI] Chat-gpt response on a query how to make a blind person
understand the concept of colours
Hi
An interesting response to the captioned query:
Understanding the concept of colors for a person who is blind from birth or
has severe visual impairments can be challenging. However, there are several
ways in which a blind person can comprehend colors:
1.
Associating colors with other sensory experiences: Colors can be associated
with sounds, tastes, textures, and smells. For example, red can be associated
with the taste of spicy food or the sound of a trumpet.
2.
Learning color names through verbal description: A sighted person can
describe colors to a blind person using words such as "red is warm like fire"
or "blue is cool like water."
3.
Touch-based systems: There are various touch-based systems, such as raised
line drawings, tactile graphics, and Braille labels, that can help a blind
person understand colors. These systems use different textures or shapes to
represent different colors.
4.
Technology: With the advancement of technology, there are now devices such
as color recognition apps, which can help a blind person identify colors. These
apps use a smartphone camera to detect and identify colors and announce them
through audio output.
Overall, understanding colors for a blind person may require creativity,
patience, and an openness to different ways of experiencing the world.
Harish
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