What is wrong eating with clean hand?

On 7/21/2024 2:48 PM, Yamuna Jivana Dasa wrote:

Saurav wrote:

> And for eating with hand, there is a trend to eat biryani with hand. >

Now you really got me started! Byriani, there’s just no way I’ll eat that with spoon! Not even at gunpoint! JSeriously, South African Indians have mastered the art of making byriani like no where else I have seen. And those from Durban are still the best at making it. My wife is from Guyana in South America and no matter how I  encourage her to make it, she does not want to take on the challenge to perfect the art. Apparently the secret lies in spicing the night before and allowing the veggies to soak up the spicing over-night, possibly in a cooler. Alternatively my mother cooks the rice and veggies together with the required spicing, then she tosses the whole thing in the oven on very low heat for 2 hours to fully cook very slowly. The rice and veggies are fully dry yet fluffy and not sticky at all so that nothing clumps together. And that flavour! Man! Even though my mother is now aging she does a fantastic byriani.

And again I’ll only eat that with fingers. On my final trip from South Africa to India in November 2022, the guy carrying my road food in my hand luggage actually stole it and must have enjoyed it like nothing in his life ever before. He’s going to hell for stealing that byriani! Aish! Now I’m going mad here just thinking about it!

Over and out! J

Yamuna Jivana Dasa

*From:*accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] *On Behalf Of *Saurav Hegde
*Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2024 7:24 PM
*To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
*Subject:* Re: [AI] Learning effective Dining etiquette’s, specifically eating independently, with folk, spoon and chopstick

Hi,

This is a very interesting topic that has been brought up.

I myself was going to ask about this on the group.

I personally think my table manners are okay but there are certain items I struggle with.

I cannot eat a pastry with a spoon especially if it is too creamy.

I will ruin the poor thing,  lol!

It becomes a kind of kichadi, my mom has tried to teach me how to break its pieces while maintaining its shape but my nervous system hasn't got it yet.

So then, if at home at-least I just chuck the spoon and hold it in my 2 fingers to avoid spoiling my entire hand and start eating.

I also struggle to make small pieces with my fork if the piece like chicken's is not soft or well shaped.

It starts dangling which is not a good sign according to rules of sophistication.

But I do agree that beeing too conscious will also ruin the mood, people will feel that insecurity from us.

And for eating with hand, there is a trend to eat biryani with hand.

Just my opinions.

Best,

Saurav

Student at Brihan Maharashtra College of Commerce, Pune

On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 5:58 PM Yamuna Jivana Dasa <ykhan...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Paul,

    Childhood experiences like these can be hard to overcome, but it
    is important to reason what makes sense for our comfort and
    values. That team-leader was embarrassed that a member of his team
    did something that went against the grain of that society in an
    outside country, in which he wanted to show off his best
    conformance from the team.

    People who feel the need to conform to out-dated society norms of
    our former colonizers doesn’t have to be come your problem,
    whether back then as a 6^th grader or now as a grown man.

    Please see his outburst to you back then as a child as his
    problem, not yours. His twisted agenda was being affected by you,
    that’s it. You have to remind yourself every time that you will
    not allow that childhood experience to determine your life now.
    Live and be happy, on your terms, your way. That’s what I would
    say to you. But it may take some practice and courage and
    self-reassurance before you start to feel comfortable with your
    own choices against that experience.

    Regards,

    Yamuna Jivana dasa

    *From:*'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia
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    *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2024 3:10 PM
    *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
    *Subject:* RE: [AI] Learning effective Dining etiquette’s,
    specifically eating independently, with folk, spoon and chopstick

    I remember when I was in 6^Th standard we were in Germany and on
    one occasion in Berlin, I was eating with my hand and using spoon
    and knife

    The leader of my team suddenly shook my shoulders and shoulded a
    loud that why I am eating with my hand and not using spoon and knife

    did we not teach you to use spoon and knife in India?

    A very bad experience…

    *From:*accessindia@accessindia.org.in
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    *Subject:* RE: [AI] Learning effective Dining etiquette’s,
    specifically eating independently, with folk, spoon and chopstick

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    Same with me most of the time—I also prefer to eat with my
    fingers. However, for certain juicy items like dal chawal or upma,
    I use a bowl and spoon. Even with idly, if I'm eating it with
    sambar, I ask for a soup bowl, dip the idly, mix it with chutney,
    and use a spoon. If I want to eat the idly separately, I eat it
    with my hands and hold the sambar bowl in my left hand, drinking a
    small amount with each bite. Apart from that, I mostly enjoy
    eating with my fingers. One more thing I've noticed: whenever I
    eat with a spoon, I hold the bowl in my left hand, and if I'm
    eating from a plate, I hold a tissue in my left hand. I use to
    follow this way consistently.

    Actually, I think we should do what feels right to us, not just
    with eating but in every aspect, whether it's clothing or dining.
    There is one thing I believe: we should always keep ourselves
    well-maintained, wearing neat and good clothes, being
    well-dressed, and keeping ourselves neat.

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    *From:*accessindia@accessindia.org.in
    <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> *On Behalf Of *Yamuna Jivana Dasa
    *Sent:* Friday, July 19, 2024 10:29 PM
    *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
    *Subject:* RE: [AI] Learning effective Dining etiquette’s,
    specifically eating independently, with folk, spoon and chopstick

    People,

    This is just my opinion and how I live my life. You don’t have to
    agree.

    As much as I cannot avoid being blind, I prefer living my life
    being comfortable with what works for me, and this includes dining.

    Mostly I use my fingers to eat. Whatever context I find myself in,
    I am even ready to announce: I eat best with my fingers, and it’s
    an art. I pick up rice with my finger-tips without dropping, which
    is something many who are used to knife and fork cannot do. (At
    this point I might chuckle slightly as I gracefully remove the
    knife or fork or even spoon from my plate.) So thanks for the
    invitation to dine with the team! Then I dig into that meal, with
    dignity and pride to eat with my fingers, smiling with confidence
    all the way, and not hesitating to contribute to the light-hearted
    dinner table discussions or perhaps business meetings that might
    occur.

    To those who think I am below their so-called dignity, you like
    me, you don’t like me, because may be I look strange eating
    differently, then hey let that be your problem, but I’ll be
    cheerful all the way through. High-minded people will appreciate
    me for who I am. I’ve learnt through my life to be confident about
    who I am, and in the beginning people might resist me, gradually
    tolerate me, and eventually even love me for who I am. At least,
    those will be the people who matter to me.

    Let me share my story at the bank where I worked.

    I used to work for First National Bank in South Africa. I never
    hid my identity as a Hare Krishna devotee, nor was I shy about my
    blindness. These were both abnormalities in the predominantly
    African country where I lived.

    Gradually people would notice me walking the corrordoors during my
    lunch breaks, or after work while waiting for my transport, softly
    mouthing the Hare Krishna Mahamantra. Eventually it became normal
    for them. Eventually some began asking questions about my belief
    systems, and even took books to read about it. When I was
    retrenched due to a decision from head-office which forced 5 blind
    people and 1 deaf person at back offices from around the country
    to lose our jobs, there were many who visibly displayed
    unhappiness at my leaving, with some of the ladies even crying
    when I walked out. I had to cheer them up with assurances that I
    will be fine and that I have God’s protection with me.

    Point being for me at least which worked: Be who you are, be
    comfortable in your skin, so comfortable in fact that others will
    not help loving your confidence in your differences from them.

    Yes you’ll get the occasional scoff, snide remark, or statements
    of lack of confidence regarding your visible challenges. Take
    those with a grain of salt, and look past them. Those will not
    make you, so not worth your contemplation anyway.

    Do you know, eating with your fingers is the best method for
    digestion? It’s the most natural way, and we were created to do
    that. As your fingers touch the food, it promotes your salivation
    in your mouth: the touch stimulates by the temperature, texture
    and contemplation of picking up the food to eat by the finger
    tips. It also promotes digestion activity in the stomach in
    preparation for receiving the food. It is part of natural
    digestion to eat with our fingers. It is recommended by Ayurveda.
    It is our culture, and yes, the cream of the crop: it is
    comfortable for blind people too!

    Regards,

    Yamuna Jivana Dasa

    *From:*accessindia@accessindia.org.in
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    <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>] *On Behalf Of *Nishant Rana
    *Sent:* Friday, July 19, 2024 1:38 AM
    *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
    *Subject:* Re: [AI] Learning effective Dining etiquette’s,
    specifically eating independently, with folk, spoon and chopstick

    Hello,

    Should you or your friend find someone who is actually able to
    impart those skills, I would be very glad to hop on the bandwagon
    as it were, as I tend to dread formal occasions because I know
    that I have terrible terrible dinner/ table etiquette, and am
    bound to create a mess.

    On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 at 22:54, turab chimthanawala
    <turab...@gmail.com> wrote:

        Hi all,

        A blind person in Mumbai wants to learn effective dining
        etiquette. He would prefer one-on-one sessions with a trainer
        or a person experience in this. And he will be willing to pay
        reasonable charge for this only that the trainer should be
        patient and considerate. Any leads in this regard would be
        greatly appreciated.

        Thanking you

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