BHAWANI wrote: > What is wrong eating with clean hand? >
Nothing is wrong with it! The british came here and told us that we are barbarians if we eat with hand, and that everything about our culture, religion and social conventions are primitive, superstitious, unscientific and backward. They are wrong on every one of those areas. And the worst thing is that we believed them. Now, you have to even ask the question “What is wrong with it”, as if you’re finally realizing that nothing is wrong with it and nothing was wrong with it before after all, even though your ancestors over the last few hundred years believed the British and for so long became ashamed of our rich Vedic values. Yes, there are a good few things from our rich Vedic history that became corrupt and polluted into modern-day Hindu culture, but that does not make the roots useless. We can fix and clean up the pollutants from our deviations and then there’s nothing unscientific or backwards or primitive or mythological about our Vedic systems. Two examples of these can be sited here: First is how the Varnasrama system became polluted into today’s cast system. Second is how the Sati rite of women to choose to die with their husbands dead body in the fire became polluted into forced murders of women unwilling to undergo the act which eventually became a forced ritual, thus polluting the Vedic rite. I am prepared to logically challenge anyone who dares to declare that our Vedic sivilization is to be ashamed of, and I’m prepared to put my head on the block for it as scientific in every regard. And to bring this back on topic, blind people, particularly Indian blind people, should never think they have reason to be ashamed of eating with their hands. It is after all a Vedic tradition, supported by ayurvedic health-proven scientifically verifiable health benefits. If there is anyone here who can’t help feeling ashamed of it, then I will happily council you off-list. Write me a private message or call me to discuss. Of course there are things we can and should eat with spoon simply because they are not solid enough such as ice creams and trifles, but that goes without saying, and doesn’t change anything. I even use the tip of the finger from the other hand to guide such things onto the spoon because I am blind. So what! Should we be ashamed for being blind too! Is it not bad enough that we were taught to be ashamed of our culture and religion already! Give me a break, good people! The only thing I am ashamed of is not being able to speak an Indian language, but that too was forced upon me since childhood anyway! Anyway let me not get started here because if I do I won’t stop, and y’all know by now how passionate I am on this point. So I’ll stop here…. Yamuna Jivana Dasa From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 6:12 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: Byriani! [was RE: [AI] Learning effective Dining etiquette’s, specifically eating independently, with folk, spoon and chopstick] What is wrong eating with clean hand? On 7/21/2024 2:48 PM, Yamuna Jivana Dasa wrote: Saurav wrote: > And for eating with hand, there is a trend to eat biryani with hand. > Now you really got me started! Byriani, there’s just no way I’ll eat that with spoon! Not even at gunpoint! J Seriously, South African Indians have mastered the art of making byriani like no where else I have seen. And those from Durban are still the best at making it. My wife is from Guyana in South America and no matter how I encourage her to make it, she does not want to take on the challenge to perfect the art. Apparently the secret lies in spicing the night before and allowing the veggies to soak up the spicing over-night, possibly in a cooler. Alternatively my mother cooks the rice and veggies together with the required spicing, then she tosses the whole thing in the oven on very low heat for 2 hours to fully cook very slowly. The rice and veggies are fully dry yet fluffy and not sticky at all so that nothing clumps together. And that flavour! Man! Even though my mother is now aging she does a fantastic byriani. And again I’ll only eat that with fingers. On my final trip from South Africa to India in November 2022, the guy carrying my road food in my hand luggage actually stole it and must have enjoyed it like nothing in his life ever before. He’s going to hell for stealing that byriani! Aish! Now I’m going mad here just thinking about it! Over and out! J Yamuna Jivana Dasa From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Saurav Hegde Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 7:24 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Subject: Re: [AI] Learning effective Dining etiquette’s, specifically eating independently, with folk, spoon and chopstick Hi, This is a very interesting topic that has been brought up. I myself was going to ask about this on the group. I personally think my table manners are okay but there are certain items I struggle with. I cannot eat a pastry with a spoon especially if it is too creamy. I will ruin the poor thing, lol! It becomes a kind of kichadi, my mom has tried to teach me how to break its pieces while maintaining its shape but my nervous system hasn't got it yet. So then, if at home at-least I just chuck the spoon and hold it in my 2 fingers to avoid spoiling my entire hand and start eating. I also struggle to make small pieces with my fork if the piece like chicken's is not soft or well shaped. It starts dangling which is not a good sign according to rules of sophistication. But I do agree that beeing too conscious will also ruin the mood, people will feel that insecurity from us. And for eating with hand, there is a trend to eat biryani with hand. Just my opinions. Best, Saurav Student at Brihan Maharashtra College of Commerce, Pune On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 5:58 PM Yamuna Jivana Dasa <ykhan...@gmail.com <mailto:ykhan...@gmail.com> > wrote: Paul, Childhood experiences like these can be hard to overcome, but it is important to reason what makes sense for our comfort and values. That team-leader was embarrassed that a member of his team did something that went against the grain of that society in an outside country, in which he wanted to show off his best conformance from the team. People who feel the need to conform to out-dated society norms of our former colonizers doesn’t have to be come your problem, whether back then as a 6th grader or now as a grown man. Please see his outburst to you back then as a child as his problem, not yours. His twisted agenda was being affected by you, that’s it. You have to remind yourself every time that you will not allow that childhood experience to determine your life now. Live and be happy, on your terms, your way. That’s what I would say to you. But it may take some practice and courage and self-reassurance before you start to feel comfortable with your own choices against that experience. Regards, Yamuna Jivana dasa From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> ] Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 3:10 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Subject: RE: [AI] Learning effective Dining etiquette’s, specifically eating independently, with folk, spoon and chopstick I remember when I was in 6Th standard we were in Germany and on one occasion in Berlin, I was eating with my hand and using spoon and knife The leader of my team suddenly shook my shoulders and shoulded a loud that why I am eating with my hand and not using spoon and knife did we not teach you to use spoon and knife in India? A very bad experience… From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> <accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > On Behalf Of minalsing...@gmail.com <mailto:minalsing...@gmail.com> Sent: 20 July 2024 15:05 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Subject: RE: [AI] Learning effective Dining etiquette’s, specifically eating independently, with folk, spoon and chopstick CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the content is safe. Same with me most of the time—I also prefer to eat with my fingers. However, for certain juicy items like dal chawal or upma, I use a bowl and spoon. Even with idly, if I'm eating it with sambar, I ask for a soup bowl, dip the idly, mix it with chutney, and use a spoon. If I want to eat the idly separately, I eat it with my hands and hold the sambar bowl in my left hand, drinking a small amount with each bite. Apart from that, I mostly enjoy eating with my fingers. One more thing I've noticed: whenever I eat with a spoon, I hold the bowl in my left hand, and if I'm eating from a plate, I hold a tissue in my left hand. I use to follow this way consistently. Actually, I think we should do what feels right to us, not just with eating but in every aspect, whether it's clothing or dining. There is one thing I believe: we should always keep ourselves well-maintained, wearing neat and good clothes, being well-dressed, and keeping ourselves neat. --- "If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together." --- Thanks and regards, Minal Singhvi Founder/Director of Radio Udaan Chief Trustee of Udaan Empowerment Trust Section Officer in Deputy Commissioner's Office, Telangana 🌐 Visit: www.radioudaan.com <http://www.radioudaan.com> 📞 8886523455 ✉️ minalsing...@gmail.com <mailto:minalsing...@gmail.com> 🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/in/minal-singhvi-a5a722117/ 🐦 https://x.com/minalsinghvi5 📸 https://www.instagram.com/singhviminal/ 📘 https://www.facebook.com/minal.singhvi/ 📹 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVdKG6BUI4adCUvkvV5lrUHmZxBCbPoMJ From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> <accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > On Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 10:29 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Subject: RE: [AI] Learning effective Dining etiquette’s, specifically eating independently, with folk, spoon and chopstick People, This is just my opinion and how I live my life. You don’t have to agree. As much as I cannot avoid being blind, I prefer living my life being comfortable with what works for me, and this includes dining. Mostly I use my fingers to eat. Whatever context I find myself in, I am even ready to announce: I eat best with my fingers, and it’s an art. I pick up rice with my finger-tips without dropping, which is something many who are used to knife and fork cannot do. (At this point I might chuckle slightly as I gracefully remove the knife or fork or even spoon from my plate.) So thanks for the invitation to dine with the team! Then I dig into that meal, with dignity and pride to eat with my fingers, smiling with confidence all the way, and not hesitating to contribute to the light-hearted dinner table discussions or perhaps business meetings that might occur. To those who think I am below their so-called dignity, you like me, you don’t like me, because may be I look strange eating differently, then hey let that be your problem, but I’ll be cheerful all the way through. High-minded people will appreciate me for who I am. I’ve learnt through my life to be confident about who I am, and in the beginning people might resist me, gradually tolerate me, and eventually even love me for who I am. At least, those will be the people who matter to me. Let me share my story at the bank where I worked. I used to work for First National Bank in South Africa. I never hid my identity as a Hare Krishna devotee, nor was I shy about my blindness. These were both abnormalities in the predominantly African country where I lived. Gradually people would notice me walking the corrordoors during my lunch breaks, or after work while waiting for my transport, softly mouthing the Hare Krishna Mahamantra. Eventually it became normal for them. Eventually some began asking questions about my belief systems, and even took books to read about it. When I was retrenched due to a decision from head-office which forced 5 blind people and 1 deaf person at back offices from around the country to lose our jobs, there were many who visibly displayed unhappiness at my leaving, with some of the ladies even crying when I walked out. I had to cheer them up with assurances that I will be fine and that I have God’s protection with me. Point being for me at least which worked: Be who you are, be comfortable in your skin, so comfortable in fact that others will not help loving your confidence in your differences from them. Yes you’ll get the occasional scoff, snide remark, or statements of lack of confidence regarding your visible challenges. Take those with a grain of salt, and look past them. Those will not make you, so not worth your contemplation anyway. Do you know, eating with your fingers is the best method for digestion? It’s the most natural way, and we were created to do that. As your fingers touch the food, it promotes your salivation in your mouth: the touch stimulates by the temperature, texture and contemplation of picking up the food to eat by the finger tips. It also promotes digestion activity in the stomach in preparation for receiving the food. It is part of natural digestion to eat with our fingers. It is recommended by Ayurveda. It is our culture, and yes, the cream of the crop: it is comfortable for blind people too! Regards, Yamuna Jivana Dasa From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Nishant Rana Sent: Friday, July 19, 2024 1:38 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> Subject: Re: [AI] Learning effective Dining etiquette’s, specifically eating independently, with folk, spoon and chopstick Hello, Should you or your friend find someone who is actually able to impart those skills, I would be very glad to hop on the bandwagon as it were, as I tend to dread formal occasions because I know that I have terrible terrible dinner/ table etiquette, and am bound to create a mess. On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 at 22:54, turab chimthanawala <turab...@gmail.com <mailto:turab...@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi all, A blind person in Mumbai wants to learn effective dining etiquette. He would prefer one-on-one sessions with a trainer or a person experience in this. 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