dear harish,
i must tell you with pain that you have misconstrued the focus in my
qquerry. i asked the question here simply because it was something related
to visual impairment and accessibility. when i put that simple question, i
did not intend to convert access india mailing list into a forum for porn
talk. i know fully well that this is not the group for such talk and that
there are a number of groups and forums exclusively devoted to such stuff.
answering a question on accessibility to the point evenif it is one related
to pornography, i believe, will not make a mailing list obscene and its
members, both male and female, vulgar.
----- Original Message -----
From: "harish" <har...@accessindia.org.in>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir
Hi all
Yes, there are 2 groups on yahoogroups which may allow discussion of
romance and sexuality.
Regarding outright porn talk, you may have to seek clarification from the
respective moderator.
The 2 lists which I am refering are:
1 dreamromance
2 sayeverything
There would be more lists internationally and one can make a search on
Yahoogroups orat google.
.
I have followed the points from other members both for and against.
However, I am not convinced why should AccessIndia take it up when there
are other active groups catering to this requirement or so called need.
Delibrate folks, rationally and don't get personal. I opened this thread
for healthy discussion and not to settle scores.
Harish
----- Original Message -----
From: "mahendra" <gal...@chello.at>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir
i am glad, we can talk on this matter, i fully support Rajesh's view.
Harish are there such email groups? if yes, please Harish or members
share them.
At 07:54 AM 3/13/2009, you wrote:
Dear Rajesh and others
Do appreciate the points raised, However, let us have the group focused
and on rails.
Besides there are groups especially catering this requirement. So, let us
not tred on their shoes.
I am opening the thread for inputs from all quarters.
Harish.
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:57:06 +0530
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir
Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a
certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of
threat.
I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for
visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be
within bounds of the group, but for the fact that pornography or any
sexually colored material is illegal in India and so the group may not
discuss anything illegal.
However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and
what is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow.
Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks.
Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise.
Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all,
is the hallmark of accessibility.
And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial
jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of
community, working and teaching in reputed institutions.
A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs
of all human kind.
rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders
humans brute many a times.
Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the
pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility
is commendable.
On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have
bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue
which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners
like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about
accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least.
I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to
do so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we
the Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to
describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance,
even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are
inextricably linked to its theme.
As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in
comprehending the social life about us.
I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age of
sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed
good night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade
and a half ago.
Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility in
all fields.
Life, by default is sharply constricted due to any disability, let us not
constrict it further by man made objections.
Yes, if the group is strictly confined by legality of the matters to be
discussed or otherwise, then I think we must adhere by guidelines and
discuss such vital issues in private or on other fora.
Regards
Rajesh
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