Harish,

I think the discussion has gone too long and please stop this.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Vedprakash Sharma" <vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir


I think academic discussion of anything or any topic for that matter is not wrong or sinful. however, on 'access India' we should stick to the issues which are permitted for discussion. on this list, if the moderator is not permitting the discussion on pornography, it does not mean, in any ways that the topic in itself is wrong or illegal. it is just that this list does not permit this topic to be discussed. therefore, the estemed members should take this in the right perspective and hence close the discussion. it is my opinion and thus not imposable upon anybody. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Viraj" <vka...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir


Besides, let us also remember that pornography can well be a subject of academic pursuit. Noone will doubt the growing interest today in various forms of popular culture in literature as well as social sciences and pornography is by all means a form of popular culture. Even a cursory enquiry will lead us to various researches done or being done in the field of erotic and pornographic literature, for instance.

Therefore, I don't see it anyway illegal or undesirable to discuss the accessibility of such materials for the visually challenged. Noone has talked about sharing such materials in this forum. But we can always share, whenever there is a query, links or websites where we can access such materials. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thahir P C" <pctha...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir


dear shadab husain,
please understand that values are relative and needs variegated. how can we expect to homogenize the needs of the people in a society where heterogeneity is an unmistakable reality? i, a simple man with humble doubts who many a time shudder at the complexity of the human condition fail to conceive the notions of absolute right and absolute wrong and valorizing one need over the other.one thing you should know, friend--there are at least a few unfortunate souls in this world who depend on pornographic material for their physical and psychological needs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shadab Husain" <shadab...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir


Dear Sir,





Thanks for this.





I really cannot understand how pornography is our need! How is it related to social things etc.? I am unmarried and never had any affair. I have started to understand that a life partner is among one of the most fundamental needs of humans. But the one thing I am certain of is that pornography, from the standpoint of psychology, is wrong - not to talk about need. Haven't you
studied it in your course?





Blinds, like other human beings, need to be fit in all respects. Have you
ever thought what this dirty world will make of them?





There are many things on the internet which are all related to
accessibility. Would it be appropriate to talk about them?





I like the Indian culture very much. Although I don't claim that I am a true Indian. I hate the western culture. What they regard is freedom is actually
absurd.





I espouse frankness everywhere but it becomes dirty when it crosses the
realm of decency. If you get time, please read my contributions to the press where I have talked about frankness and sex. The link of it is appended with
my signature.





I love this forum and all the members and wish to be a part of it. However,
if I am too backward, the moderator can ban me; but I don't regret over
anything I have said. Pornography is something I will condemn provided it is
against the consensus.





It was an extremely awful experience for me to write this email here because
I heartily hate this topic. I might not reply to this thread.





Misunderstanding that I have come under fire, some people are settling goals with me. I must clarify that I have the potential of responding with double
force to anyone any time without caring a toss about who is who!





Back to sir, I have a deep respect for you, but if your opinions are
clashing with mine, I am sorry - as I won't be able to control myself from
making them known to you. I remain





Ever yours,





Shadab Husain

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] query from thahir


Well, I think being a member of this group for so many years, I do have a
certain right to say something on this matter, despite the closure of
threat.
I think the question does relate to accessibility and internet for visually impaired, and as such, may be legitimately construed to be within bounds of
the group, but for the fact that pornography or any sexually colored
material is illegal in India and so the group may not discuss anything
illegal.
However, please remember that law does change with mores of society and what
is a taboo today is a common sense of tomorrow.
Moreover, binding accessibility to legality is unfair, me thinks.
Sight does not regard the bounds of legality or otherwise.
Life with its joys and enchantments ought to be equally available to all, is
the hallmark of accessibility.
And Shadab, the ones whom you have, without any moderatorial jurisdiction, publicly termed raunchy, are the respected members of community, working and
teaching in reputed institutions.
A person does not become antisocial merely by recognizing inherent needs of
all human kind.
rather it is undu suppression and repression of the same which renders
humans brute many a times.
Only objection to the query in the message is manifest illegality of the pornography in India, but the effort about universality of accessibility is
commendable.
On this note, I would like to share that the movie Dev D is said to have
bypassed censors by substituting sexually explicit scenes with dialogue
which is less appealing to sight but more appealing I think to listeners
like us. Maybe, the director, though not consciously thinking about
accessibility, has achieved the aim partially at least.
I intend to watch it shortly and call upon all the visually impaired to do
so to get an experience. of the movie. Otherwise, so prudish are we the
Indians, that even video described movies like Black, we shun to describe scenes involving expressions of love, kissing, for instance, even though such scenes form the essence of the movie and are inextricably linked to its
theme.
As a result, we the visually impaired, are far lagging behind in
comprehending the social life about us.
I do recall an instance where I myself, even though I was past the age of sweet twenty and two, instinctively rubbed my hands clean when kissed good night by an interested and interesting friend of mine some decade and a half
ago.
Let us cast away our artificial reserve and strive for accessibility in all
fields.
Life, by default is sharply constricted due to any disability, let us not
constrict it further by man made objections.
Yes, if the group is strictly confined by legality of the matters to be
discussed or otherwise, then I think we must adhere by guidelines and
discuss such vital issues in private or on other fora.
Regards

Rajesh



-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:18 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] querry from thahir

This is open shamelessness! I will humbly urge the moderator to immediately
blackball these two raunchy members from the list. Shadab Husain
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shyam M. Sayanekar" <sayane...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] querry from thahir


Dear Thahir, very good, you have voiced the issue dear to the hearts of
many. Thanks a lot.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thahir P C" <pctha...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: [AI] querry from thahir


friends,
are there sites or blogs on the internet which provide pornographic
material specially meant for visually impaired?
Regards,
Thahir.

E mail: pctha...@gmail.com
skype: pcthahir
phone: 0496 2522242
mobile: 9495743001



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