Hi Harish, the suggestions are very valid and I thank you for the same. The same are being included in the demands.
Hi Rajesh, the point is well taken and will surely be included. The reasoning that was given was of Railways from their point of view of perceptible implementation issues. The disability sector has always been opposed to any exclusionary practices - more so for those who have no mobility impairments. Even those with mobility impairments have been asking for inclusive services but often when it is a general coach, the physically disabled get marginalized so the reserved exclusive half coach was considered as an option. The point is taken in its right spirit and is well in sync with the prevailing moods and philosophy of inclusion! regards 2009/11/9 Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> > All said and done, I cannot appreciate the point of handicapped or more > appropriately disabled coach being placed at anywhere else than in the > middle of the train, and more so it being not vestibuled.... > > The coach being placed always on the engine side is impractical as railways > can hardly be expected to shunt it every time. > Besides, on the engine side, there is no guard. > The deployment of police force thing also is not appealing to me, as it is > hardly feasible to employ RPF personnel in a non-vestibuled coach placed at > extremes. > If the coach is in the middle, say, in train of 24 bogies, if it is > vestibuled at 12/13 position, then it will be possible for patrolling RPF > personnel to keep a vigil on it. > Besides, it can be easily located and boarded by disabled passengers as > being in the approximate middle position. > Even if unauthorized passengers are likely to board it as if feared, they > can be easily shifted to other coaches as the coach is vestibuled, and help > can be easily obtained to do so even by pulling the chain. > If the coach is in the extremes as is the case, unauthorized passengers > still board it, and they are mostly with general ordinary tickets. You can > do nothing about it as no help is forthcoming in an unconnected coach. If > the coach is vestibuled in middle, unauthorized passengers will be wait > listed at most, and they can be forced to go into adjacent coaches. > About hawkers disturbing disabled, you get no hawkers towards extremes, and > I have known cases where disabled passengers have to remain hungry and > thirsty throughout journey.... > > The advocates of non-vestibuled disabled coaches, please re consider your > stand... > > Or better have firsthand experience of long journeys with family in the > disabled coach as it is at present. > > > I know my views are often not recognized or derided at, for I speak as I > authentically feel without artificialities of civilized behavior. > Anyway, one is free to pay heed or not. > Regards > > > > Rajesh Asudani > > Assistant General Manager, > Reserve Bank of India > Nagpur > 09420397185 > O: 0712 2806676 > Res: 0712 2591349 > Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?" > John Milton > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: > accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of harish > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:34 AM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Demands & Strategies put forth at the > NationalConsultationon Issues related to Railways > > Dear Vashisht > Some more points for you to consider. > > 1 The edge of the platform should have a different surface. There are many > incidents wherein blind persons have fallen to the tracks > 2 The gap between 2 compartments should be closed. There are incidents of > tragic nature that I am aware of where a blind person fell through it. > 3 Especially in local trains, there should be internal announcements of > approaching station and the direction of the approaching platform. EG. > Kolcutta metro. > 4 Especially again in suburban trains the platform should be in line with > the floor level of the trains. > 5 There should be tactile markers leading to bridge and exit gates. > 6 In automated announcement systems, it should also announce the station > name eg. Welcome to Pune station, 1020 Konarak express has arrived on > platform no. 1 etc. > > Warmly > Harish Kotian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SC Vashishth" <subhashvashis...@gmail.com> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] Demands & Strategies put forth at the > NationalConsultationon Issues related to Railways > > > > Dear *Vamshi,* Great to know your experience but often they insist an > > escort > > with those with physical disabilities using crutches, wheelchairs and > > other > > assistive devices for mobility. I have seen few instances where they > > insist > > an escort even for a blind passenger. > > > > *Amar,* the right way is to have a uniform disability certificate with > > necessary imprints on it with electronic data chip on the lines of > > Credit/Debit Card/Vehicle RC. Mr. Nandan Nilekani is working on the NUID > > (national unique identity card) project which will solve these problems > to > > great extent. This card will have all details in electronic form about > the > > identityy of the person and his entitlements. > > > > *Mukesh*, there have been several instances of misuse which needs to be > > checked by authorities. I am not justifying their ill actions and I agree > > that there is an urgent need to sensitize the public dealing/clerical > > staff > > of railway booking counters on Disability Etiquette. Yes, I agree that 3% > > quota of the total train space should be pushed for so that it becomes > > easy > > for the disabled and the elderly to travel with ease and comfort. That is > > why a full 72 seater reserved coach and one unreserved general class > coach > > for the disabled has been demanded. > > > > *Surya Prakash*, Railways are trying hard to compensate for losses that > > they > > incur on free ships hence, they are not keen on adding the passengers > with > > Low Vision, but the fight should be on. There is lot of pilferage and if > > this could be plugged, Low vision passengers could be easily accommodated > > in > > the quota. > > > > *Ashwani,* thanks for raising a very relevant point of concessions in > > Rajdhani, Shatabdi and Jan Shatabdi etc. This demand is being pushed for > a > > long time with no success. Lower berth can be allotted if available as > > that > > is given on first come first serve basis. > > > > *Rakesh,* there have been instances of misuse and fake certificates. So > > railways want to cross-check the veracity of DC (Disability Certificate) > > by > > a CC (Concession Certificate) ! May be this can be done away with once we > > have the electronic ID Card in place. > > > > regards, > > > > 2009/11/3 SC Vashishth <subhashvashis...@gmail.com> > > > >> No Rajesh, converting four general berth of Boggies for disabled in to a > >> Reserved Disabled Quota was debated strongly that is why you see the the > >> first two demands originating from that very issue. that is Increase the > >> number of Reserved compartments to at least one reserved (72 seater) and > >> one > >> unreserved coach, secondly that they should not take away the existing > >> benefits. > >> > >> The idea of having the boggies in the front or the rear was to ensure > >> that > >> people, hawkers should not disturb them in the through and through > >> connected > >> boggies. Secondly railways thought that it would be easy to assist them > >> by > >> the train Guard/Security if it is close to engine or at the rear near > >> parcel > >> van where generally the RPF constables are on deployed. > >> > >> However, keeping the boggie in the middle of the train will have its own > >> problems. Firstly, deploying police force may not be feasible as per > >> railway. Secondly not many people follow the rules strictly during the > >> day > >> and most of the coaches immediately in the centre get filled up with > >> unwanted crowd who are often short distance travellers and never reserve > >> their seats. Even if it is a reserved compartment, people least bother > >> except in some trains in south India!! > >> > >> regards > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/11/3 Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> > >> > >> Well, handicapped coach is in front or back because the same wrack plies > >>> back and forth without turning. > >>> It would be wise to position it almost in middle and interconnecting it > >>> with rest of the train. > >>> Surprisingly, demands and strategies discussed at Chennai do not > >>> mentionethe mess created by railways by converting four berths of > >>> handicapped coach into HP quota and making the coach > >>> reserved-cum-general... > >>> > >>> > >>> Rajesh Asudani > >>> > >>> Assistant General Manager, > >>> Reserve Bank of India > >>> Nagpur > >>> 09420397185 > >>> O: 0712 2806676 > >>> Res: 0712 2591349 > >>> Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?" > >>> John Milton > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto: > >>> accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amar Jain > >>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:22 PM > >>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Demands & Strategies put forth at the > >>> NationalConsultation on Issues related to Railways > >>> > >>> Respected Sir, > >>> > >>> Would like to say following: > >>> > >>> 1. Uniformity in concession format. > >>> Many a times I myself have faced the problem of difference in > concession > >>> format, say if you make concession in Rajasthan, they generally do not > >>> put > >>> round seal. Further, their language is Hindi. > >>> Specifically I face problem on chennai station. They never hear. > >>> Everytime > >>> I have to contact supervisor. > >>> > >>> 2. Since we are demanding online concession, they may raise the problem > >>> that many a times concessions are not maid in propper format, or > >>> sometimes > >>> some information is missing from the concession certificate. > >>> There are various options to deal with such problem, the one which is > >>> coming in my mind right now is to register your concession certificate > >>> once > >>> and then they can keep that number in their database. So when it is > >>> verified > >>> by railway, no problems in using online booking. Such thing can be > >>> enshrined > >>> in the concession certificate form itself. > >>> > >>> 3. this point has to do with implimentation, at every station we hear > >>> the > >>> coatch position. But I have never heard that where handicap coatch is > >>> coming. So announcers must announce the same. > >>> And there should be fixed place for handicap coatch because sometimes > >>> they > >>> keep it in front and sometimes in back side. > >>> > >>> 4. couple of times I have seen railways authorities misusing handicap > >>> coatch. and when we tell them anything, they talk like railway is of > >>> their > >>> fourfathers. > >>> So for various problems, need to have grievence redressal body. > >>> Regards > >>> Amar Jain. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Vamshi. G" <gvamsh...@gmail.com> > >>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > >>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:04 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Demands & Strategies put forth at the > >>> NationalConsultation on Issues related to Railways > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear Vasisht sir, > >>> > >>> > 5. Provide concession to the disabled person without an escort > >>> > >>> I availed this facility several times. But yes, I have heard of > >>> incidents where some of us were deprived of the same. So, I think > >>> this is concerned more with the implementation than the legislation. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> G. Vamshi > >>> PH Res : +91 877-2243861 > >>> Mobile: +91 9949349497 > >>> E-mail ID: > >>> gvamsh...@gmail.com > >>> Skype: gvamshi81 > >>> > >>> God helps those who help themselves > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/30/09, SC Vashishth <subhashvashis...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > Dear Prashant and friends, > >>> > The following was the Draft of the Demands & Strategies finalised at > >>> > the > >>> > National Consultation held in Chennai last month on the issues with > >>> Railways > >>> > concerning disabilty Sector. > >>> > > >>> > *Demands* > >>> > ** > >>> > 1. Increase the number of Reserved compartments to at least 1 > >>> reserved > >>> > (72 seater) and 1 unreserved coaches > >>> > 2. They should not take away the existing benefits > >>> > 3. Budgetary allocations should be made. > >>> > 4. Make concessions mandatory for e-ticket booking also. > >>> > 5. Provide concession to the disabled person without an escort > >>> > 6. Ramps at all stations > >>> > 7. Accessible toilets in Trains and Railway stations > >>> > 8. Make e booking more accessible for the disabled people > >>> > 9. Need to have a Disability enquiry booth > >>> > 10. Make sign language information possible for the hearing > >>> > impaired > >>> > on display screens > >>> > 11. The Disabled coach needs to be nearer to the platform entry > >>> > 12. Separate Rest room with accessible toilet and medical > >>> > facilities > >>> > 13. Consult the stake holders before the budget session > >>> > 14. Ensure safety of women with disability > >>> > 15. Formulate a committee consisting of stake holders to review > >>> > and > >>> > implement the universal design model. > >>> > > >>> > *Strategies* > >>> > > >>> > 1. Focus on trains and stations at rural areas as much as the > >>> > urban > >>> > railway network > >>> > 2. Involve political participation from state level by > >>> > approaching > >>> > chief ministers of the states / state MPs of both ruling and > >>> > opposition > >>> > parties > >>> > 3. Take the agenda to the central minister for Railways > >>> > 4. To conduct sensitization programs for railway staff > >>> > 5. To conduct awareness camps for political representatives > >>> > 6. To take to streets if the demand is not implemented by the > >>> Railways > >>> > 7. Implementation of Specific designs for toilets > >>> > 8. To ensure that representatives from the sector are elected to > >>> the > >>> > legislative bodies at various levels. > >>> > 9. Focus on larger issue of the universal accessibility rather > >>> > than > >>> > limited accessibility > >>> > 10. Audio signal in the trains and stations > >>> > 11. Reconsider the renewal system of concession forms > >>> > 12. 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