thanks Rajesh very well put. The difference from my time and now is that in the old days we got no money for working with a law office but now they pay something even though it may be peanuts and now there is a chance for VI to practise commercial law and sit in office and work on the computer thus relying less but not eliminating the need for a sighted assistant. The problem for a VI is how does he get in and then prove his worth as a junior.

Once you get in and prove some worth then you get paid well these days. In my time even as Advocate assistant or Solicitor Assistant you could not live on the salary received therefore there was no choice but to start your own practise or go to a job. Now the salaries are good without the headache of infrastructure costs.

Yes knowledge is required but you got to first convince at an interview and then show your skills at the computer. Litigation is tough and tougher for a VI and definitely not remunerative till you have some years of standing. The pressures are more now and the speed of output has increased. therefore the time to train a VI is something that puts people off.

Unfortunately those who want to take up this profession first finish their studies and then ask questions. They have lost 5 years in the bargain. Also when I tell them that they have to know computers well, I get a reluctance and resistance to detailed learning. We have to overcome our disability so that it only remains an impairment.
Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] 2, 000 people with disabilities to get jobs in IT, BPO firms


Well, I  think a VI can practice law only if:
1. she/he can afford a sighted assistant,
2. Has good computer knowledge
3. Knows the subject at a level which can be called above average,
4. is from economically well-off family to enable her/him to be without income for a considerable time,
Otherwise not.
These are the conjunctive requirements and not disjunctive.

This is the harsh reality which should be explained to any prospective lawyers. I could not practice despite fulfilling clearly the requirement No. 3, as I did not fulfill requirements 1 and 4. Requirement 2 was inapplicable in our days....


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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pamnani
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:47 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] 2, 000 people with disabilities to get jobs in IT, BPO firms

I agree that jobs are very difficult for the visually challenged in the
corporate sector but I do think being self employed is also very tough.
I have been getting emails and calls from youngsters who want to join law
and I really dont know what to do.How to explain to people how tough it is
to survive and how to get them an entry into the profession?
Most of the visually challenged prospective lawyers have :
a. finished law degree without working while they study so they have no
experience while their peers have worked atleast during 4 vacations.
Its so tough to get an internship and if you dont get one you dont have
experience after college so no employer wants you. its really a catch 22
situation.
b. not adequate knowledge of screen readers-most people who call me say they
know computers but most of the time they know very little. They cant type
fast nor is their research skill honed nor do they know how to deal with
track changes. Again if the visually challenged lawyer would know these
skills then he could be marketed and someone would give him a
chance.Knowledge of computers more than your sighted peers would be a marked
advantage and may to some extent mitigate the effect of the impairment.

c. lack of knowledge of braille-
d. No superior knowledge of the subject.
e. no sighted help to read papers
I agree that I should not be compared with my able bodied peers but how does
someone convince a professional to allow someone to sit in his office? How
does a client get convinced enough to trust you with his matter?
Forget about the law and give me the practical solutions.

Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] 2, 000 people with disabilities to get jobs in IT, BPO
firms


Could not agree more!!!


-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jairam
Balasubramanian
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 4:49 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] 2, 000 people with disabilities to get jobs in IT, BPO
firms

At Srinivasu

If we are talking about individual company names, one company named
Lazer soft in Chennai, claimed to have been equal opportunity company
and also that most of its employees were challenged.
The company was specialising in development of softwares for banking
space, and when I went in for interview, not a single visually
challenged person was recruited there.
After my qualification as CA in 2006, my experiences at the campus
recruitments in ICAI with companies like Goldman Sacks, BPCL, Wipro,
Infosys, L&T, etc have been clearly an evidence of the reluctance of
the HR managers to recruit visually challenged candidates.

Do we mean to say that any VI person who have'nt been able to land up
into a job into the corporate world, lacks the requisite skills, its
sheer bull shit.
Only a handfull of us, have been able to land up into good jobs, and
based on that, we can't conclude that no-one else possesses the
requisite skills. And also that , we better know how we landed up into
those jobs.
And about the skill sets, hiring a candidate from IIM or such premier
institutes does not require any great boasting up of the companies of
having been an inclusive organisation, as it constitutes only a meagre
percentage, and also that they would anyways get placed due to their
knowledge and networking.
Barring a few on this list itself, I don't think there are many of us
who are highly Tech savy or people who have total expertees in their
respective domains.
For that matter, any fresher or even experienced persons may
necessarily not be having indepth understanding of the industry as a
whole.
If our education systems are non-inclusive, then its not fair to blame
the individual for not possessing good linguistic skills, or the so
called soft skills, most of the schools being regional in nature, even
in relatively bigger cities.
Let us not generalise our ideas on the basis of a very small sample,
where the ground reality is completely different.
May be that, the so called HR managers and the top management,
comprising of the best brains from B-schools, lack the skill sets in
valuation, which they think they are good at.
Its all about finding value, and if someone is not able to find any
value in something, then its his/her incompetence as well as the
product itself.
If I have been created differently, then why I should be equated with
my non-peers and rated on the same scale. Competence/incompetence is
highly relative.

Jairam


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