Friends Even I had attended this training last month and benefited from it. Training brushed up my skills and learned many new concepts which are going to help me in future. As we all are aware excel is huge concept and it couldn’t be taught in a week or two. But Tony made us to learn important concepts in excel which are really useful for each one of attendees. Apart from training module, though he is a sighted trainer, I didn’t find any difficulties in learning from him neither in group nor individually. Rest it depends on individual how they take it. Personally I feel, when trainer forms a group to teach something he will surely take care of each individual. So he did with out any spoon feeding. Each attendee was from different background, so each one had different performing level. Tony E-mailed 3 to 4 exercise in advance. He E-mailed us 2 by second and another 2 by third day to each candidate with instruction once we are done with our running exercise, inform him and go for next one, to utilise our precious time we were spending with him just for a week. Friends as of my knowledge, advance excel training was organised first time for visually impaired, if not please do correct me. Though we have experts on list, still there are many who are really in need of this type of trainings. So we should respect the initiative taken by Tony and Mitra Jyothi. I apologise in case, unknowingly any one is hurt by my E-mail.
On 1/3/13, Umesha Economics <umesha....@gmail.com> wrote: > nice opportunity? (smiles). > dear friends, > I too attended the M S excel course in Mitrajyothi in December last year. my > opinion is exactly opposite to that of Shreedhar's. before telling how it > was, let me acknowledge that Mitrajyothi has done a marvellous job in other > fields like talking books library, living skills training etc. especially, > the talking books library which the institute is providing from last one and > a half decades has gone a long way in enhancing the availability of reading > materials for the visually impaired students of Karnataka. thousand plus > students including myself have been greatly benefited from it. but this > course in M S Excel is different and not worth attending. it is mainly > because of it's instructor. > > as I said earlier, I also attended that one week course in December but > learnt very little or nothing in the course from the instructor. Mr. Tony > Thomas, sorry to say the truth, is not a right person to be a teacher or > instructor. > > from the day one, I felt unsatisfied since I could not learn what I > expected. the course was named 'Advanced course in M S Excel'. but we were > diverse group as per the knowledge in excel is concerned. there were some > who did not know the basics of excel. we had to sit idle until they are > taught the basics. I explained the problem to him and he assured that he > would split the batch into groups according to needs and give the > instructions as per their phase of learning from the next day. but it was > not realized on the next day. ☺he gave many such assurances which never > realized. on my second day, we requested for some changes in the pattern of > instruction in terms of schedule regarding verbal explanation and practice > sessions (theory and practicals). he agreed. it was also a never implemented > assurance. many of us needed much more time for practice. but even after > continuous requests, it was not provided. we were tired of long instruction > sessions from morning about 10 to evening 6:30 or 7, and some days until > 8:00. once he said that extension in the evening is optional to students. > but he continued having regular instructions and discussions in the evening > making it inevitable for us to sit. as a result, we were unable to complete > the exercises that were given to us. > > another problem was that he was teaching some personality related things > also. it is the fate of many courses our NGOs offer. they do not want to > teach one thing properly. they want to teach everything together. after > reading this mail one may call me a rude person. but it is true that I have > enough level of personality and it has been proved by my surroundings: my > friends, colleagues, students, and others. so, this personality related > instruction which consumed hours together in each day was a significant > unwanted part of the programme for me and some others. one day he spent > about 2 hours telling only about himself. was it all needed? certainly not, > at least for me. > > he was asking us to play some fun games and we used to spend about one to > two hours in a day. I am not against games. I know they are relaxing and > refreshing. but we have to do all those when we really need relaxation and > refreshment. it should not overtake the main activity. some days he was > playing with us in the morning in beginning hours only. is it right? > > one more problem was the unnecessary intervention caused by a fellow > student/teacher by name Anjaneyulu. he was both a student and teacher. it is > true that he did not know the things properly, but he was not keeping > himself quiet. we wanted a direct discussion with our teacher Mr. Tony, but > his unwanted intervention was disturbing us very much and Mr. Tony was also > not instructing Anjaneyulu to reduce intervention. > > when I used to ask doubts/questions, Mr. Tony would often say that it was a > silly question. twice he said that my questions were stupid ones. I had > asked "what is the advantage of scenario manager over usual copying and > manually checking the different values?". I felt hurt by his remark "stupid" > for a humble question. I don't say as a teacher, he should know A to Z. but > when he doesn't know answer for a question, he has to admit it openly or > else ask us to explore ourselves. as a teacher, I too have faced such > situations and all those times, I frankly accepted my lack of knowledge. > what would he feel if I call him a "stupid teacher" who discourages such a > right question? I did not want to disrespect him as my teacher. but here I > have to tell the truth. according to me, one who discourages students' > questioning nature unless it is intentionally disturbing, is a bad teacher > since it hinders the learning process. > > he was fond of few students who kept quiet in the sessions without asking > many questions, or those who were praising him continuously. once he was > said to have told one such student that he was tolerating me and some others > as we would be there only for few days. one thing needs to be clear, whether > it was he or we who were tolerating, his irritative instructions and > remarks? > > let me clarify one thing here. as an assistant professor in a university, I > have lot of work load. I did not join the course simply to spend the time. > with an intension and hope of learning something new, I opted for the > course. during that week, my higher authority called me twice and told me to > attend the examination duty the next day. even after all my effort to > convince, they were of the same stand and straightly instructed me to do the > duty. remember, I am in my probationary period. if any thing wrong about me > reaches the top authority, it does not care to remove me from my job. we > have also seen such examples where few of our colleagues were removed off > their job for some small reasons. even having such a threat from the > immediate higher authority, I stayed back in this excel course. did I do all > this just to spend time? one thing is clear here, my job is very important > for me. I stayed back in the course in spite of threatening risk in my work > place to learn something new in excel. in such a situation, the time I spent > was very significant for me. when it was wasted, I felt disturbed. according > to Mr. Tony, only those silent people were passionate learners and we were > mischievous. I think I faced all the above risk just to do mischief in his > class. probably I did not have any place to do that in Tumkur, my work > place. > > until the last day, I waited in the hope that he would correct. but he did > not. in the last session while taking feedback, he asked me for my feedback. > when I was telling about the problems he faced in the course due to this > heterogeneous group and others, he stopped me in between and gave negative > remarks upon me by saying that I think only through my brain and he thinks > and acts more with his heart than his brain. if I am such a kind of person, > why did he ask for my feedback at all? probably to comment upon me. > moreover, I don't know whether there are things in excel that we have to do > using our heart rather than our brain. dear Tony Sir, I too am a human > being, and has a heart and, that too works. > > I know Shreedhar. I don't know why he has given such a beautiful opinion on > the course. probably he was under some pressure or obligation to give > positive opinion. > > so, dear members, if you want to join the proposed course, please review my > statements objectively and make decision. if you know the fundamentals of > computer and M S Excel, I advise you not to join the course as you are not > likely to learn anything new. hope the moderator does not ban me for the > bitter but true remarks. > > Umesha > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shreedhar TS." <tss....@gmail.com> > To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > Sent: Wednesday, 02 January, 2013 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] MS Excel sessions on Saturdays for all working persons > with visual impairment > > >> Hi, Really it is a nice opportunity, I previously attended MS Excel >> workshop conducted in December by Mitrajyoti powered by NIVH, and >> benefited a lot. The teaching was nice and learnt a lot there. I would >> like to thank you for that opportunity. I just would like to attende >> extra days like continuously for one or 2 weeks, before I join my >> work. please let me know the possibility. Thanking in advance with >> anticipation. >> >> >> >> On 1/2/13, Mitra Jyothi <mj.tblibr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Dear Friends, >>> >>> Greetings from Mitra Jyothi! >>> >>> Mitra Jyothi is going to conduct special need based MS Excel sessions for >>> all working persons with visual impairment on Saturdays, commencing from >>> 5th Jan 2013. >>> >>> *Syllabus of the course:* >>> >>> Introduction to Excel Basic concepts with tactile diagram (experts can >>> start with practicals accordingly) >>> More on Custom sort and Advanced filter >>> Date and related functions >>> Sum / total / Subtotal and related functions >>> Count and related functions >>> Lookup-vlookup-hlookup >>> Charts >>> Pivot table >>> Mail merge >>> Macros >>> >>> And many more concepts on demand such as What if analysis, remove >>> duplicates, text to column, transpose, consolidate, if conditions, >>> multiple >>> if conditions, forms, validation, password protection, customize - excel >>> options , PMT and more complex formulas and functions etc… >>> >>> *Timings*: 9:30 am to 5.30 pm >>> *Venue*: Mitra Jyothi >>> CA Site P - 22, 18th cross, 31st Main, Sector - 1, HSR Layout, Behind >>> NIFT >>> College, >>> Bangalore - 560 102 >>> *Days*: 6 Saturdays >>> *Note*: Fees applicable. If necessary, participants can attend extra >>> sessions after the course for practice. >>> >>> >>> Limited seats available. >>> Please e-mail to t...@mitrajyothi.org with your updated resume to >>> register >>> for this course. >>> Hurry and send us your confirmations… >>> Don’t miss this golden opportunity! >>> >>> For clarifications and to know more about upcoming courses,* *please >>> contact >>> * -* >>> Mr. Tony Thomas >>> Email: t...@mitrajyothi.org >>> Phone: 080 - 22587623/25, Extn: 26 >>> Website: www.mitrajyothi.org >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>> of >>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks and regards. >> ಶ್ರೀಧರ್ ಟಿ ಎಸ್, ಅಬಸಿ >> Shreedhar T S, Abasi >> >> To accomplish great things, we must dream as well as act >> >> Mobile: 9980989171 >> >> Yahoo chat ID: tss_abs >> >> Skype: shree475 >> >> Blog: http://shreeword.blogspot.com/ >> >> Join me on Face book: https://www.facebook.com/shreedhar.ts >> >> ದೃಢ ಸಂಕಲ್ಪವಿಲ್ಲದಿದ್ದರೆ ಗುರಿ ಸಾಧಿಸುವುದು ಕಷ್ಟ >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of >> >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > -- Pleasure which must be enjoyed at the expense of another's pain, can never be enjoyed by a worthy mind. 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