On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 02:55:54PM +0000, John Mattsson wrote:
> Hi Benjamin, Salvador
> 
> While DTLS 1.3 have done a very good job of lowering the overhead of the 
> record layer when application data is sent (see e.g. 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lwig-security-protocol-comparison-01 
> for a comparison between different protocols), I do not think the handshake 
> protocol is much leaner (is it leaner at all?).

(There are some handshake messages that are removed entirely.)

> We tried to make an fair comparison between EDHOC and TLS 1.3 in the 
> presentation at IETF 101 (see 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-ace-key-exchange-w-oscore-00).
>  Since then, we have significantly optimized the encoding in EDHOC and the 
> upcoming version (-11) is expected to have the following message sizes.
> 
>    Auth.               PSK       RPK       x5t     x5chain
>    --------------------------------------------------------------------
>    EDHOC message_1      43        38        38        38
>    EDHOC message_2      47       121       127       117 + Certificate chain
>    EDHOC message_3      12        86        92        82 + Certificate chain
>    --------------------------------------------------------------------
>    Total               102       245       257       237 + Certificate chains
> 
> As Salvador writes, the handshakes in TLS 1.3 and DTLS 1.3 are basically the 
> same, so the numbers presented at IETF 101 should be a good estimate also for 
> DTLS 1.3.
> 
>    Auth.                PSK       RPK
>    --------------------------------------------------------------------
>    (D)TLS message_1     142       107
>    (D)TLS message_2     135       264
>    (D)TLS message_3      51       167
>    --------------------------------------------------------------------
>    Total                328       538

Thanks for the numbers!

> The numbers above include ECDHE. For handshake messages, my understanding is 
> that the DTLS 1.3 and TLS 1.3 record layer have exactly the same size.

The DTLS 1.3 ones will be worse, due to the epoch and sequence number
fields.

-Ben

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