Hi Ben,

On 2018-11-03, 22:16, "Ace on behalf of Benjamin Kaduk" <ace-boun...@ietf.org 
on behalf of ka...@mit.edu> wrote:

    On Sat, Nov 03, 2018 at 05:51:55AM +0700, Michael Richardson wrote:
    > 
    > John Mattsson <john.matts...@ericsson.com> wrote:
    >     > of negotiation is still needed. The current plan for the next 
version
    >     > is to introduce cipher suites and to let the cipher suite with 
value 0
    >     > indicate that algorithms have been negotiated out-of-band.
    > 
    > I agree with the idea that some common default should be very easy to
    > refer to, but I don't like the idea that the gateway has to remember what
    > the out-of-band "default" is on a per-device basis.  I would say that we 
need
    > at least 0/1, so that we can say that it's the current vs the "new" 
default.
    > 
    > If you consider the case where the sensor is on very low bandwidth
    > connection (I would say LoRaWAN, but I am not well qualified in that 
space).
    > The sensor gets visited every two or three years by a technician (if only 
to
    > make sure that the sensor is still where it is supposed to be).  While 
there
    > new firmware updates are applied, and as a result the algorithm defaults 
are
    > updated.  During the cycle, some devices are updated and some are still 
old.
    
    Are you proposing that the management of the 0/1-to-algorithm mapping be
    managed on a per-deployment basis or by the IETF?
    
Michael may give his view, but the authors' proposal is to have a IANA register 
enumerating ciphersuites, and where value 0 is reserved for "pre-established 
ciphersuite". 

BR
Göran


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