I don't think I ever actually said that ... Cheers Mate, -BrettSh [msft]
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Michael B. Smith wrote: > And we share a DB platform. :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:43 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir][OT]Dean's kick-a## article > > I would wear that... But on the back it has to say > > Brett Says: > FSQL! > > > > I've seen some of the SQL MVPs, I think the DS MVPS can take em! The > Exchange MVPs can have our backs too... Because we all know what happens > to > Exchange if AD gets messed up. > > > -- > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, > CPA > aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:02 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir][OT]Dean's kick-a## article > > Are said TShirts for sale? > > I can envision the next MVP summit with a room full of Bretts. > > (www.cafepress.com .... there can be a Brett Store with Brett > merchandise) > > Brett Shirley wrote: > > Ego isn't wearing a t-shirt with your own picture on it, ego is > insisting > > others wear a t-shirt with your picture on it ... > > > > So was that it, Dean? Were you conceding my point, I couldn't tell > (like > > maybe the "okey dokes" was like "whatever", blow brett off) ... or do > you > > still feel this is all database specific implementation detail? As > > opposed to my posistion that this is directory service implementation > > detail (for AD in the dblayer of the DS)? A directory service needs > this > > in order to function correctly across regular replication scopes. > > > > Cheers, > > BrettSh > > > > On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Dean Wells wrote: > > > > > >>> Maybe I can help w/ the ego (after all I consider trimming Dean's > ego > >>> one of my higher callings in life ;-) ... > >>> > >> Remain focused on your own for now. Once you no longer feel the need > to > >> wear t-shirts with your own face on them, you can probably rest > assured > that > >> you're safe to begin on mine ;0) > >> > >> ... uhhh, okey dokes :0/ > >> > >> -- > >> Dean Wells > >> MSEtechnology > >> t Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> http://msetechnology.com > >> > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir- > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Shirley > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:12 AM > >>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >>> Cc: Send - AD mailing list > >>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir][OT]Dean's kick-a## article > >>> > >>> Maybe I can help w/ the ego (after all I consider trimming Dean's > ego > >>> one of my higher callings in life ;-) ... > >>> > >>> Dean, you said you didn't mind if we continued to discuss this > thread > >>> at one point (a at the time highly volatile thread, which I decided > to > >>> let settle down), do you remember this thread: > >>> > >>> http://www.mail- > >>> archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/msg32470.html > >>> > >>> Where I think you basically conveyed (IMNHO) I didn't know what I > was > >>> talking about in regards to what is required for a DS implementation > >>> ... > >>> > >>> >From your two emails in that thread, first you said: > >>> > >>> > >>>> ... that the process of injecting the phantom isn't a behavioral > >>>> requirement imposed or carried out by the directory service itself. > >>>> It is a requirement imposed by the underlying database and is > >>>> necessary because of the mechanism used by ESE to provide uniform > >>>> representation of object references (i.e. link pairs). > >>>> > >>> Then in a subsequent email: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Nod, I understand your point but, to me, it's a matter of > perspective > >>>> -- where does the directory begin and end? From a developers > >>>> standpoint, the directory may well be a whole component neatly > >>>> organized into a single area of a source tree. From my > perspective, > >>>> the term directory (in this context) is used to relay the concept > of > >>>> > >>> a > >>> > >>>> (mostly) standards based component with predictable features, > >>>> interfaces, behaviors, structures, underlying mechanisms, etc. > >>>> > >>> Any directory service has a form of the infrastructure master DN- > >>> cleanup problem, when the "cross-reference" spans replication > scopes, > >>> irregardless of underlying database technology, ESE, or SQL Server, > or > >>> anything else you can think of. If they seemingly don't have this > >>> problem, then there is some form of replication happening and thus > the > >>> DN isn't really crossing replication scopes (that's why the GC > doesn't > >>> have this problem ... as you pointed out in part 1 of the article). > >>> > >>> So I'd argue the last 2 lines in the first quote were wrong in two > >>> ways: > >>> (A) ESE doesn't provide uniform representation of object references. > >>> That's just patently incorrect. And (B) this isn't an ESE > >>> implementation detail, it is a DS implementation detail for being > >>> constructed on any kind of database that isn't performing > replication > >>> (same as SQL, MySQL, BerkleyDB, whatever NDS used, or ESE)? I just > >>> want it on record ... > >>> 8/17/2005, Dean was wrong once. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> BrettSh > >>> ex-Garage Door Operator #7. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Dean Wells wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Cheeky git . my head, your stomach . at least we'll have the plane > to > >>>> ourselves! :0) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Best start working on that pilot's license! > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Dean Wells > >>>> MSEtechnology > >>>> * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> http://msetechnology.com <http://msetechnology.com/> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > >>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:09 PM > >>>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >>>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir][OT]Dean's kick-a## article > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hey I sometimes have to ride on planes with that guy, don't swell > his > >>>> > >>> ego > >>> > >>>> too much... I want to be able to sit on the plane. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > >>>> http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _____ > >>>> > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matheesha > >>>> Weerasinghe > >>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:02 PM > >>>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >>>> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] > >>>> > >>>> joe said "pretty decent" http://blog.joeware.net/2006/06/08/400/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I think thats an understatement ;-) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> However, my profuse thanks to joe too. I wasnt aware of the article > >>>> > >>> until he > >>> > >>>> blogged it. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> M@ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 8/14/06, Dean Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Why thank you . but who said otherwise? ;0) > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Dean Wells > >>>> MSE technology > >>>> * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> http://msetechnology.com <http://msetechnology.com/> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matheesha > >>>> Weerasinghe > >>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:35 PM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >>>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid1_gci1192 > >>> 821,0 > >>> > >>>> 0.html?track=NL-463 > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > <http://searchwinit.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid1_gci119 > >>> 2821, > >>> > >>>> 00.html?track=NL-463&ad=554811USCA&ad=554808> > >>>> > >>> &ad=554811USCA&ad=554808 > >>> > >>>> > >>>> I dont care what anyone says. Thats a damn fine article. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I couldnt possibly thank Dean enough for that info. > >>>> > >>>> M@ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 8/14/06, Graham Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Alter ego ! > >>>> > >>>> my thanks are due > >>>> > >>>> worked out a treat - so the GC's are not so ***'d as i thought > >>>> > >>>> any info on the concept of the phantoms though ?? > >>>> > >>>> GT > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hey Robert, > >>>>> > >>>>> In the article you posted, the registry key is incorrect in the KB > >>>>> content. It lists the registry key as: > >>>>> HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Directory > >>>>> > >>>>> However, the correct registry key is: > >>>>> HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Directory UI > >>>>> > >>>>> I've sent a comment to my former employer to ask for them to fix > >>>>> > >>> the > >>> > >>>>> article...next time, test it *before* you post! > >>>>> > >>>>> Your Alter Ego, > >>>>> Robert Williams > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [mailto: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Williams, > >>>> > >>>>> Robert > >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:28 AM > >>>>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >>>>> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] > >>>>> > >>>>> Hey Graham, > >>>>> > >>>>> This may not be what you're experiencing, but it could be worth it > >>>>> > >>> to > >>> > >>>>> check to see how many members you have in the group(s) in > question. > >>>>> > >>> By > >>> > >>>>> default, if the group has over 500 members in it, the user icons > >>>>> > >>> inside > >>> > >>>>> the group will turn grey. Check out this article for more > >>>>> > >>> information: > >>> > >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q281923/ > >>>>> > >>>>> Let us know if that turned out to be the cause. > >>>>> > >>>>> Have a great day! > >>>>> > >>>>> Robert Williams > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [mailto: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Turner > >>>> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:01 AM > >>>>> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org > >>>>> Subject: [ActiveDir] > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear all, am experiencing issues that i think attributable to the > >>>>> concept of Active > >>>>> Directory phantoms > >>>>> > >>>>> the symptom is that when we open certain global groups the > >>>>> > >>> membership > >>> > >>>>> list comes out > >>>>> with grey icons > >>>>> > >>>>> this is not all groups - affected ones being - Domain Users / > >>>>> > >>> Domain > >>> > >>>>> computers > >>>>> > >>>>> must confess to not a full understanding of the issue here -but it > >>>>> > >>> seems > >>> > >>>>> this > >>>>> relates in some way to GC lookup ?? > >>>>> > >>>>> i can for sure confirm that the GC port 3268 is open on the GC's > >>>>> > >>>>> not sure why as the group / user members are in the same domain ? > >>>>> > >>>>> after the understanding of what is going on here is, of course > 'HOW > >>>>> > >>> DO > >>> > >>>>> WE FIX' ?? > >>>>> > >>>>> technet seems to reference a concept of 'phantom clean up task' - > a > >>>>> process that > >>>>> runs on the server running 'INFRASTRUCURE MASTER' fsmo role on a > >>>>> scheduled basis to > >>>>> resolve the directory issue. > >>>>> > >>>>> would seem not in this case ? > >>>>> > >>>>> as a point to note, neither netdiag or dcdiag are coming up with > >>>>> > >>> nothing > >>> > >>>>> concliusive > >>>>> in this respect. > >>>>> > >>>>> help as always gladly received > >>>>> > >>>>> GT > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > >>>>> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > >>>>> List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx > >>>>> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > >>>>> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > >>>>> List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx > >>>>> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > >>>>> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > >>>>> List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > >>>> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > >>>> List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > >>> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > >>> List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx > >>> > >> > >> List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > >> List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > >> List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx > >> > >> > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ml/threads.aspx > > > > > > -- > Letting your vendors set your risk analysis these days? > http://www.threatcode.com > > If you are a SBSer and you don't subscribe to the SBS Blog... man ... 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