Did I actually say that clueless folks are writing you checks? Or are you
projecting? That those who write you checks but don't/can't/won't do things
"the right way" (according to you) are clueless, and you don't like their
checks?
Sincerely,
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From: Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Fri 12/15/2006 12:50 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
BTW, I would disagree with your assessment of Microsoft's customer base. I work
in Microsoft's largest district, with our largest customers, and I find them
far from clueless. I also find very few clueless folks writing us checks that
"add up to those billions in the vault".
Do I run into misinformed people? Absolutely. Clueless? Not really. Well, not
among my customers, anyway. :-)
Laura
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 2:26 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
And it's the clueful customers who (rightly) become angry when something in a
product that exists purely for backward compatibility opens a security hole.
Now, I'm not saying that all security holes are due to backward compatibility,
and I'm not saying that every bit of code that comes out of Redmond is perfect.
However, I have said for years that many of the things that people don't like
about Microsoft's products are the result of backward compatibility, not bad
coding or a lack of consideration on the part of Microsoft's programmers. As
somebody else (Darren? Richard?) said, there is a point where a line has to be
drawn in the sand. I personally don't see anything dictatorial about requiring
a Vista+ machine to edit *VISTA* policies. I mean, seriously, if you're writing
Vista GPOs, that would imply that you're using Vista machines, and if you're
using Vista machines, what is the issue with using one of those Vista machines
as your editing workstation? I think that that *IS* a very pragmatic, realistic
approach.
Sorry, I just don't follow your logic on this one.
That said, my opinions are purely my own, do not represent those of my
employer, are not intended to represent those of my employer and for all I
know, may even pi$$ off my employer. :-)
Laura
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:42 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
I wouldn't put it in those words. But, yeah, I would expect Microsoft to be...
shall we say...pragmatic, realistic. Something like, "enable" its customers to
run their businesses. I mean, refrain from "dictating" its wishes. You know?
Because at the end of the day, it is the "clueless customers" that actually
write the checks that add up to those billions in the vault.
Sincerely,
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From: Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Fri 12/15/2006 10:19 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
So Microsoft should encourage their bad practices?
Laura
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 12:39 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
>>> People don't seem to have a problem with that concept when it comes to game
>>> consoles :)
Bad analogy. Go stand in the corner, no wii for you :)
When people start running their businesses on game consoles, then you can come
back and compare. For now, it's just plain incomprehensible that you can't
manage ADMX from anything but Vista. Yeah, ideally we would want to encourage
clients to NOT manage things directly from servers, and to ensure that IF they
are going to introduce Vista, the IT folks' machines should be doing the
dog-fooding, but realistically, the "ideal" is always the exception in this
field. Microsoft should know that. People will insist on managing GPO directly
from the DCs, best practices be damned.
Sincerely,
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From: Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Fri 12/15/2006 9:18 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
I hear you Rich. I had a long discussion with someone on the GP newsgroups
who thought that the fact that XP and 2003 couldn't read Vista GP settings
was an abomination and a scandal of the highest order and that MS should be
beaten for their insolence (I'm paraphrasing :-)). But, yes, we should all
be used to the fact that sometimes, you have to adopt the new stuff to get
the new toys. People don't seem to have a problem with that concept when it
comes to game consoles :)
Darren
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:04 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Sorry, I understand it's different, what I meant was merely that we had
some growing pains like this when XP first came out. Our practice then
became to use only XP desktops for GP management. I think there's a
tendency to think this is such a terrible thing, this
backwards-incompatibility, and we might forget that Vista is not new
with this, we had similar issues before. And who remembers the
teeth-pulling to get people to move to Active Directory??
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:05 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
This is actually a little different because if you view a GPO that was
created with Vista, using XP or 2003, none of the ADMX settings can
actually
be read at all, because they are a completely new format that GPEditor
or
GPMC on those older platforms don't understand. In fact, those XP or
2003
will happily copy up the ADMs into the Vista GPO like they used to do,
and
you're back to each GPO storing ADMs in SYSVOL. What I've been
recommending
to folks is that once you introduce Vista desktops into your
environment,
use Vista for all your ongoing GP management. The Vista ADMXs are a
superset
of the latest and greatest ADMs (i.e. they include 2003, XP and Vista
settings) so you can happily manage Vista and non-Vista targeted GP
settings
from a Vista machine.
Darren
Darren Mar-Elia
CTO & Founder
www.sdmsoftware.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:49 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
You may recall, there was a similar case when XP came out too - if
memory serves, you had to manage XP GPO settings from an XP box - if you
opened them on Win2K, there were problems (I can't recall now exactly
what those problems were... it would corrupt the policy? Lose the
settings?) anyway so there are tons more settings (+ side) and you have
to use Vista for now (- side, sorta). I wouldn't be too surprised if
they fix that with the next server and XP SP... but I haven't actually
heard that.
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Applebee's International, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:13 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Vista introduces a new Admin Template format called ADMX. These are
found on Vista in C:\windows\policydefinitions and, unfortuately cannot
be consumed by earlier versions of Windows. That is you must manage
Vista GP from Vista.
Darren
-----Original Message-----
From: "Za Vue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: 12/14/2006 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Sorry. Exactly what Ben wrote.
Thanks..
-Z.V.
WATSON, BEN wrote:
> Maybe he may be referring to the location of any possible new ADM
files
> included with Vista.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren
Mar-Elia
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:34 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
>
> What do you mean Za? I'm not familiar with any GPO plug-in for Win2K3,
> unless you mean the LDIF files that are in sources\adprep on the Vista
> CD?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Za Vue
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:57 AM
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> Subject: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
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> Anyone know what and where the GPO plugin for Win2003 on the Vista DVD
> is called and located?
>
> -Z.V.
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