hey adam ----
Well as you know as Ian and I are sort of pottering away with developing what is essentially an online networking and shared research space. It has changed a bit since we last spoke about it and has become more specifically and literally about the exchange of thoughts, questions, and ideas that emerge out of individual's practices. We are at the moment working with a small group of writers to tinker with how this might be done, but it is looking like the development of smaller and more plentiful nodes of thought, rather than the larger 'units' that we were initially thinking of, may be a more feasible and useful approach. In time though it is hoped that this would form one layer of a more complex space. So it is through some kind of combination of online and in-person exchange that we are interested to nurture and deepen networks of people and ideas. Hence my earlier questions about one triggering the other. The residency gives us a wonderful set of potential people, ideas and materials to work with online -- though as lived experience is quite a different thing from a knowledge which is mediated through a network -- how these two might relate is a question still being considered and is open for input. We see the online space as something which not only transcends SCANZ but that could also transcend ourselves as organizers, to be formed more by it's community than ourselves. It's all very small and humble right now though of course, and we plan to keep it on a slow and gentle development plan, partly due to limited resources, but also to allow us to focus on the ideas being encountered rather than the technology it is being implemented in. Ian is about to take off to Japan this weekend so if we don't hear from him, that is likely to be why :) best, //trudy On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:59 PM, adam hyde wrote: > hi, > > > Just wanted to pip in and say I think SCANZ is an amazing model for > networking NZ artists and curators etc with each other and people from > other countries... > > it might be however that with the growing energy crisis and the > growing > economic crisis that this kind of practice is unsustainable in the > long > run (or sooner)...Ian and Trudy - I was wondering what thoughts you > have > had about how to achieve the ideals of SCANZ in a world where > international travel is far less available than it is now...would it > stop? become a much more NZ centric event, go online, or adopt some > other way to achieve its aims? > > adam > > > > > On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 19:23 +1200, trudy lane wrote: >> >> Hi Julian --- >> >> I think you are misinterpreting what I was trying to say there -- >> >> One of the main goals of SCANZ as a residency, is to provide a >> networking space for practitioners - NZ and international - to get to >> know each other and each other's work. This is more about putting >> together interesting people and ideas than anything else. It is not >> done on from a nationalistic point of view - though it may >> periodically explore concepts that might relate to that. Generally >> though it is just a short-lived but hopefully effective way to >> simulate what happens regularly all the time when in Europe -- Zagreb >> included -- where various artists and curators from all over are >> often popping through and that networking can occur with less >> augmentation. In terms of context and strength -- it just means that >> the NZ artists are not having to be the ones living in a suitcase, >> etc. >> >> I don't find nationalistic divides very useful or interesting myself >> either -- hence my mentioning the wish to obliterate these in my own >> work. Though when there is an organisation like the Audio Foundation >> whose mandate is around supporting and promoting NZ artists -- then >> providing the wandering researcher a collation point of like-minded >> NZ artists is a role they can play -- and after that it is up to the >> artists and their work. >> >> zivili +) >> //t. >> >> >> >> On Sep 25, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Julian Oliver wrote: >> >>> ..on Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:34:56AM +1200, trudy lane wrote: >>>> In response to Julian's last point I'd say I have to agree that >>>> getting to know people and sharing ideas in person is ideal. Though >>>> as great as it would be, the expense of sending everyone out is >>>> part >>>> of what made developing something like SCANZ seem like a good idea. >>>> Bringing people here also means that visitors can understand >>>> something of our fuller context here, and NZ practitioners can >>>> network from a position of strength. Hopefully this might also then >>>> lead to greater ease in finding good networking and working >>>> opportunities internationally. >>>> >>> >>> one reason i'm not especially /confident/ about investment in sites >>> that >>> promote "New Zealand Media Art" is that based on my experience very >>> few >>> people in the media-art scene care at all where a person is from in >>> the >>> context of discovering and engaging with a work. if anything the >>> "where >>> are you from?" question is either a personal aside or is asked to >>> determine whether they can afford to fly you to their gig.. >>> >>> when discovering new media art i myself simply don't search within >>> windows like "Estonian Nanotech Art", "Irish Hardware Hackers", >>> "Lithuanian Game Art". i'm sure the odd art historian would group >>> their >>> investigations under such umbrellas but does anyone else? >>> >>> this perhaps is a symptom of the cultural 'global village' that late >>> nineties net-culture so heavily idealised anyway - the idea that >>> it's >>> one's contribution to culture that's important, regardless of >>> creed or >>> origin - a strategic levelling of geographic feature under banner >>> of a >>> humanist egality. this is further represented by the free-market for >>> many country TLDs (.tv, .at, .cx), the last reliable placeful index >>> within a trans-geographical network. international webhosting too >>> dislodged the idea that the work itself was 'coming from' the >>> place in >>> which it was made. >>> >>> for these reasons (among a few others), people generally don't look >>> for >>> - let alone expect - representation of a geographic essence in >>> media-art >>> as they might with painting or music. as such they don't / >>> typically/ group >>> media-art within a geographic space. >>> >>> i consider myself an "artist from NZ" more than a "NZ artist" - >>> and as >>> anyone that knows me will tell you, i'm certainly very proud to be a >>> Kiwi. >>> >>> as NZ'ers we tend to assume that our relatively extreme geographic >>> circumstance will be a primary feature, and thus a filter, in >>> discovering and engaging with us and our work. i think this is the >>> case >>> far less than we, at times, would desire. >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> julian >>> Zagreb >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:26 PM, Julian Oliver wrote: >>>> >>>>> ..on Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:27:31PM +0200, Damian Stewart wrote: >>>>>> Julian Oliver wrote: >>>>>>> to seek 'recognition' for what one makes is an empty project in >>>>>>> itself >>>>>>> work must first be 'recognised'. if a work is seen to be >>>>>>> transformative >>>>>>> then those that believe so will take care to distribute that >>>>>>> value to >>>>>>> others without need of any government endorsement, promotional >>>>>>> capital >>>>>>> or even a website. >>>>>> >>>>>> i'm going to have to call you on this one, J. i think you >>>>>> considerably >>>>>> understate the importance of self-promotion. over the last year >>>>>> and a >>>>>> half here in Europe i feel i have made enormous headway, and have >>>>>> been >>>>>> very successful in making the kinds of contacts and relationships >>>>>> that >>>>>> are necessary to actually pull off a career as an artist. but >>>>>> for the >>>>>> most part this hasn't happened through the strength of my >>>>>> work, but >>>>>> rather through my willingness to live a kind of crazy, stressful, >>>>>> confusing, disorientating life, and put myself into situations >>>>>> where >>>>>> these kinds of meetings have been possible; as you put it to me >>>>>> once, to >>>>>> get on a plane to another city with 100 euros in my pocket and >>>>>> not >>>>>> have a >>>>>> clue what's going to happen next. i haven't lived continuously >>>>>> in one >>>>>> city for more than 2 months, nor slept in a bed i could >>>>>> reasonably >>>>>> call >>>>>> 'mine', since June 2007. >>>>> >>>>> as i said later in the post it's not that i think promotion isn't >>>>> important, far from it. what you've been doing however - described >>>>> above >>>>> - isn't promotion so much as networking, which certainly counts >>>>> for >>>>> far >>>>> more than indiscrete and unsolicited attempts to promote your work >>>>> online or elsewhere. i'd say you'll get more gigs because other >>>>> artists >>>>> and curators actually like you and your ideas and because they've >>>>> enjoyed working with you (which i've seen first hand in your >>>>> case).. >>>>> >>>>> as you point out even having an opportunity to network is >>>>> particularly >>>>> hard for Kiwis based in New Zealand, which is why i think that >>>>> cultural >>>>> funding would be /better/ spent on airfares and accomodation >>>>> abroad, >>>>> cultural exchanges and residencies than promotion online. >>>>> >>>>> julian >>>>> Zagreb, Croatia >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> julian oliver >>>>> http://julianoliver.com >>>>> messages containing HTML won't be read. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Ada_list mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ada_list mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ >>> >>> -- >>> julian oliver >>> http://julianoliver.com >>> messages containing HTML won't be read. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ada_list mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ > -- > Adam Hyde > Founder FLOSS Manuals > http://www.flossmanuals.net > _______________________________________________ Ada_list mailing list [email protected] http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/
