..on Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 07:23:55PM +1200, trudy lane wrote: > > > Hi Julian --- > > I think you are misinterpreting what I was trying to say there --
not at all, i think SCANZ is great; precisely the networking model that i think is productive. when quoting you i'd intended to write more about this, but didn't. cheers, julian Zagreb > > > On Sep 25, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Julian Oliver wrote: > >> ..on Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:34:56AM +1200, trudy lane wrote: >>> In response to Julian's last point I'd say I have to agree that >>> getting to know people and sharing ideas in person is ideal. Though >>> as great as it would be, the expense of sending everyone out is part >>> of what made developing something like SCANZ seem like a good idea. >>> Bringing people here also means that visitors can understand >>> something of our fuller context here, and NZ practitioners can >>> network from a position of strength. Hopefully this might also then >>> lead to greater ease in finding good networking and working >>> opportunities internationally. >>> >> >> one reason i'm not especially /confident/ about investment in sites >> that >> promote "New Zealand Media Art" is that based on my experience very >> few >> people in the media-art scene care at all where a person is from in >> the >> context of discovering and engaging with a work. if anything the >> "where >> are you from?" question is either a personal aside or is asked to >> determine whether they can afford to fly you to their gig.. >> >> when discovering new media art i myself simply don't search within >> windows like "Estonian Nanotech Art", "Irish Hardware Hackers", >> "Lithuanian Game Art". i'm sure the odd art historian would group >> their >> investigations under such umbrellas but does anyone else? >> >> this perhaps is a symptom of the cultural 'global village' that late >> nineties net-culture so heavily idealised anyway - the idea that it's >> one's contribution to culture that's important, regardless of creed or >> origin - a strategic levelling of geographic feature under banner of a >> humanist egality. this is further represented by the free-market for >> many country TLDs (.tv, .at, .cx), the last reliable placeful index >> within a trans-geographical network. international webhosting too >> dislodged the idea that the work itself was 'coming from' the place in >> which it was made. >> >> for these reasons (among a few others), people generally don't look >> for >> - let alone expect - representation of a geographic essence in >> media-art >> as they might with painting or music. as such they don't /typically/ >> group >> media-art within a geographic space. >> >> i consider myself an "artist from NZ" more than a "NZ artist" - and as >> anyone that knows me will tell you, i'm certainly very proud to be a >> Kiwi. >> >> as NZ'ers we tend to assume that our relatively extreme geographic >> circumstance will be a primary feature, and thus a filter, in >> discovering and engaging with us and our work. i think this is the >> case >> far less than we, at times, would desire. >> >> cheers, >> >> julian >> Zagreb >> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2008, at 11:26 PM, Julian Oliver wrote: >>> >>>> ..on Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:27:31PM +0200, Damian Stewart wrote: >>>>> Julian Oliver wrote: >>>>>> to seek 'recognition' for what one makes is an empty project in >>>>>> itself >>>>>> work must first be 'recognised'. if a work is seen to be >>>>>> transformative >>>>>> then those that believe so will take care to distribute that >>>>>> value to >>>>>> others without need of any government endorsement, promotional >>>>>> capital >>>>>> or even a website. >>>>> >>>>> i'm going to have to call you on this one, J. i think you >>>>> considerably >>>>> understate the importance of self-promotion. over the last year >>>>> and a >>>>> half here in Europe i feel i have made enormous headway, and have >>>>> been >>>>> very successful in making the kinds of contacts and relationships >>>>> that >>>>> are necessary to actually pull off a career as an artist. but >>>>> for the >>>>> most part this hasn't happened through the strength of my work, but >>>>> rather through my willingness to live a kind of crazy, stressful, >>>>> confusing, disorientating life, and put myself into situations >>>>> where >>>>> these kinds of meetings have been possible; as you put it to me >>>>> once, to >>>>> get on a plane to another city with 100 euros in my pocket and not >>>>> have a >>>>> clue what's going to happen next. i haven't lived continuously >>>>> in one >>>>> city for more than 2 months, nor slept in a bed i could reasonably >>>>> call >>>>> 'mine', since June 2007. >>>> >>>> as i said later in the post it's not that i think promotion isn't >>>> important, far from it. what you've been doing however - described >>>> above >>>> - isn't promotion so much as networking, which certainly counts for >>>> far >>>> more than indiscrete and unsolicited attempts to promote your work >>>> online or elsewhere. i'd say you'll get more gigs because other >>>> artists >>>> and curators actually like you and your ideas and because they've >>>> enjoyed working with you (which i've seen first hand in your case).. >>>> >>>> as you point out even having an opportunity to network is >>>> particularly >>>> hard for Kiwis based in New Zealand, which is why i think that >>>> cultural >>>> funding would be /better/ spent on airfares and accomodation abroad, >>>> cultural exchanges and residencies than promotion online. >>>> >>>> julian >>>> Zagreb, Croatia >>>> >>>> -- >>>> julian oliver >>>> http://julianoliver.com >>>> messages containing HTML won't be read. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Ada_list mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ada_list mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/ >> >> -- >> julian oliver >> http://julianoliver.com >> messages containing HTML won't be read. -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com messages containing HTML won't be read. _______________________________________________ Ada_list mailing list [email protected] http://aotearoadigitalarts.org.nz/
