hey
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 15:50 +1200, Douglas Bagnall wrote:
> adam wrote:
>
> > this looks good although (just for reference) the section :
> >
> >> Those who suggested we oppose
> >> copyright as a concept were proposing this as a posture and not
> >> meaning to eschew its protection for their own work.
> >>
> >
> > isnt accurate at least on behalf of the points i made, as i do oppose
> > copyright. Its not a provocative stance, although in this context it
> > would have been provocative
> >
> > I don't mean for you to alter the text, just pointing out that my
> > position on copyright isn't theatre
>
> Yes, sorry. I had misgivings about that paragraph, which I knew didn't
> really capture your position. In retrospect I should probably have left
> it at the first sentence ("Most of us support the idea of copyright in
> general, if only due to a lack of plausible alternatives").
>
its no problem. i only use the gpl, by the way, because copyright forces
me to use a license. this is the best given the circumstances. the other
issues, such as essays i have written on free formats, are written given
that we live in a world with copyright. the more i work with copyright
the more i realise that free licenses are a necessary hack to a system
that i can no longer understand - copyright
adam
> However, if I were to try defending the sentence, I would treat the two
> clauses separately and note that you initially put forward no-copyright
> as a provocation[1], and also that you, in practice, do not eschew
> copyright because you (e.g.) use the GPL. Then having established each
> part I would try to pretend the conjunction didn't imply something else.
>
> Another thing I might do is try to change the subject, and ask how your
> no-copyright stance interacts with your uses of copyright, and with
> various other stances you have taken on copyright issues, such as the
> essays making nuanced distinctions between licenses and arguing that
> software piracy hurts free software, and so forth[2]. What about all
> that?, I would say, and generally try to make your position the topic,
> rather than my misrepresentation of it. But I'm not defending the
> sentence because I agree it is misleading and I am truly sorry.
>
>
> douglas
>
>
> [1] http://list.waikato.ac.nz/pipermail/ada_list/2009-July/002615.html
>
> [2] People could turn to page 106 of the Aotearoa Digital Arts Reader
> available from http://www.clouds.co.nz/012/, or just google.
>
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