Hey all,

I just wanted to echo Adam's comment about the descent into grumpiness - that
was a bit unfortunate.

For the record, I think the positions which Julian Oliver and Damian Stewart put
forward have been mis-categorised by other posters.  Rather than skimming over
them, I read their postings, plus those by Douglas, and subsequently Zita and
others, closely.  I didn't see either of them preaching from their lofty
positions in well-funded Europe, as has been characterised in some postings. 
If some of you detected vitriol in their voices, it was perhaps defensiveness
in reaction to Douglas' responses, to what I read as well-intentioned
suggestions.

If we're going to be a productive list of divergent practitioners and thinkers,
who share a common interest in Aotearoan digital at practices, from our myriad
geographical and cultural perspectives, then I think it would be helpful if we
have mutual respect for one another's position.  It has always been an
important part of mailing list etiquette to read one another's messages
carefully, and try to offer criticism constructively.  It would be nice if we
could remember that here.

As to the topic in question, I think to a certain extent, ADA and the
"media-lab/hackspace" phenomena are not divergent in their functions as
catalysts to bring people together to exchange ideas, connect and experiment. 
The only difference is that ADA doesn't currently have a physical space.  But
it does certainly carry out some of the same functions as the spaces that
Julian and Damian discussed.  It was also fantastic to hear Stella speaking
about the artist-run-spaces, such as NONE, in this context.  I can well imagine
a DIY hacklab at NONE.  I am sure they have one most days of the week anyway,
but they just wouldn't necessarily call it that.

The think the take-home point in this discussion is that we all are actually on
the same page.  We agree that some sort of collective vehicle which helps bring
people who share an interest in digital culture together to collaborate, share,
exchange and learn from one another is a good thing.  We may differ in our
views of how and where that should happen, but I don't think we disagree that
it should happen.  Otherwise, we're on the wrong mailing list.

In a geographically-elongated context (such as New Zealand), such a vehicle
might better be conceived of as virtual, rather than physical, distributed
rather than centralised.  Or perhaps we might consider an entirely new model,
designed explicitly for the unique context of New Zealand.  Perhaps our
'knowledge-space', could be peripatetic, moving cyclically from one host-body
to another, according to available resources and energies?  One could well
imagine such an entity 'in residence' at Makerspace in Wellington, Greenbench
in Wanganui, None in Dunedin, Creative Space in Christchurch, and in a range of
other places and spaces no doubt.  I'm not talking about Howl's Moving Castle,
but you know, you get the idea.

As a coda, I am really pleased that Adam brought up Julian Priest's fantastic
work in Wanganui (hey Julian), and it was also very timely that he mentioned
Zoe Drayton and the Audio Foundation, which has of course provided a towering
support for sound culture in New Zealand for some time. There's never been a
time where Zoe has needed support from the community more than now ...

Here's hoping we can continue to have a fruitful and respectful discussion about
this.

Best,

Honor Harger



hey

ah man. why did it all have to get so nasty? I was enjoying this
conversation until it hit a gnarly bitter bend. Anyways, I want to take
this down another road if I can. No one has also mentioned the amazing
work Julian is doing in Wanganui. Hes getting involved on the local
scene and inviting local and 'over-the-seas' artists to come and do cool
stuff.

this is what i (dimly) remember of NZ - it takes someone to step up and
do something. The big problem here tho is that, often when that person
walks away the whole thing collapses. I shudder to think what would
happen if Zoe had walked away from AF in the last years...who would have
taken over? So, my point is, I think an interesting strategy is to see
what could be done to support people already doing things, with
the hope that with some support they can keep doing it...why not, for
example, an ADA app to rally behind and support Julians work? He clearly
has the motivation in this area and is (in my opinion) a very community
minded and generous guy - so it might be nice to get behind him. Of
course, I can't speak for Julian, and I dont know what discussions may
have already taken place within ADA about this, so its just a on-the-fly
thought.

Also, thanks Zita for pointing out the non-acknowledgement of Leons
amazing offer. Pretty fantastic. I hope there is someone to take it up.
I would if I could but wellys a bit of a long commute for me at the
mo (see next email...)...

adam

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