Hi,
In response to the following:
> > what is being filtered? why? and in what form?
> > black bars instead of images? the scoop article doesn't really say anything
> > about this, anyone have any more details? i assume they're looking for child
> > porn or something..
We don't know what is being filtered if there is no accountability of this
process, unlike the Censors Office.
But I have heard complaints that sites of political dissent, such as Alex
Jone's Prison Planet have been blocked at various times in New Zealand. And of
child porn, well the big players will be working through p2p and ftp.
This non-accountability really worries me. How are we unlike China in this
respect, and why isn't Google threatening to pull out of New Zealand then?
Colin Hodson
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:37:15 +0100
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Ada_list] // NZ Internet filters go live //
>
> Hi,
>
> ..on Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:18:15AM +1300, Bronwyn Holloway-Smith wrote:
> >
> > Thomas Beagle at Tech Liberty has been following this closely:
> > http://techliberty.org.nz/issues/internet-filtering/
> >
> > This is the closest to a unified protest point in NZ I am aware of, so you
> > may like to consider directing contributing your voices of opposition there.
>
> Noted. Thanks!
>
> >
> > Its a tricky issue: on one hand its great that evil things like child porn
> > are being blocked, but on the other hand there isn't enough gov't
> > accountability for what goes on the list.
>
> I agree, it is a tricky question but answering it with a state mandate for
> filtering produces three bigger problems:
>
> 1/ The dissolution of a free citizen's right to choose, of their own volition
> what they do and don't support, what they do and don't consume for reasons
> they alone preserve.
>
> 2/ The setting of a precedent for the waiving of a citizen's rights in favour
> of
> interests deemed important (ethical or otherwise) to the administrators of the
> state.
>
> 3/ The increasing opacity of such decisions, their implementations and
> rationales.
>
> 4/ The potential inflation of aquisition value for such content as a result of
> enforced restriction (like Cuban cigars, or weed). The market for it, if you
> will, is encouraged to explore more cunning and arguably more resilient
> distribution methods. Worse, it politicises the desire for that material
> within
> a struggle for Liberty as something both endemic and threatened.
>
> These internet filters - if they really are the moral project we're asked to
> believe - fight symptoms rather than root causes. A lesson so old it falls on
> dead ears, again and again.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julian
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Julian Oliver
> > <[email protected]>wrote:
> >
> > > ..on Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 03:35:19PM +1300, Peter Gorman wrote:
> > > > It appears that the filter list contains 7000 urls and is secret:
> > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/12/new_zealand_internet_filter/
> > >
> > > If these URLs were places, other countries or even landmark objects on the
> > > landscape that couldn't be visited, people would take to the street and
> > > demand
> > > answers.
> > >
> > > Just as with the U.S Homeland Security act's surveilling of digital data,
> > > it is
> > > because people can't /imagine/ the process of capturing and opening an
> > > email,
> > > listening in on a cellular phone call or snooping on HTTP traffic they let
> > > it
> > > go. Conversely, if they knew their hand written letters to Aunty Betty
> > > were
> > > being
> > > opened by the postal service, they'd be up in arms.
> > >
> > > The increasing sophistication and thus opacity of digital technology
> > > yields
> > > itself well to the persistent corporate and governmental compromise of
> > > basic
> > > civil rights, even the idea of civil rights themselves.
> > >
> > > The vast proportion of people that depend on email and the internet don't
> > > really
> > > know what email and the internet actually are. They don't know what a
> > > server is,
> > > let alone ports and protocols, the basis of filters.
> > >
> > > Without wanting to get too poetic here, it is death by a thousand cuts
> > > from
> > > a
> > > blade honed on ignorance.
> > >
> > > tcpdump -i wlan0 -s 0 'tcp port 25' -A | grep "a thousand cuts"
> > >
> > > Julian
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Julian Oliver <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > ..on Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 05:10:07PM +0100, Damian Stewart wrote:
> > > > >> i don't understand - what is being filtered? why? and in what form?
> > > black bars instead of images? the scoop article doesn't really say
> > > anything
> > > about this, anyone have any more details? i assume they're looking for
> > > child
> > > porn or something..
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep, it seems so. Though in practice citizens would be none the wiser
> > > if other
> > > > > content was also being filtered/inspected!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > http://techliberty.org.nz/issues/internet-filtering/filtering-faq/
> > > > >
> > > > > (love the fact one of the ISPs is called 'Watchdog').
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > > Julian
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 12 Mar 2010, at 16:52, Julian Oliver wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > NZ has joined the likes of China, United Arab Emirates, Australia
> > > and Iran as
> > > > >> > countries whose leaders coerce ISPs to filter internet content:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1003/S00159.htm
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Reccommended reading for New Zealanders:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > http://en.flossmanuals.net/CircumventionTools
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Reccommended Song O' the Day:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monyiOsoKxg
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Beast,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --
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> > > > >> > home: New Zealand
> > > > >> > based: Berlin, Germany
> > > > >> > currently: Berlin, Germany
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