+1, Radu!

Géza, old dog

On Wed, Jul 8, 2026 at 3:26 PM Radu Anghel via address-policy-wg <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Dear Urban and Leo,
>
> Thanks for the informative response.
>
> On 7/8/2026 11:37 AM, Leo Vegoda wrote:
> [...]>
> > There are two drivers for this proposal. One is to reduce administration
> and the other is to encourage honesty. The first driver meant we agreed to
> limit the scope to addresses issued by the RIPE NCC as they have to check
> that the legitimacy of addresses issued by other registries anyway and at
> that point you're already in a manual process. And while we're not
> personally aware of many ASN requests being rejected by the RIPE NCC, we
> want to remove a policy requirement that might have encouraged some
> organisations to lie. We believe that there's real value in reinforcing the
> expectation of honesty.
> >
>
> If first assignments are not actually being rejected for new LIRs or
> End-Users, then the problem this proposal is trying to solve might not
> even exist. A human will still process the request even if no
> multihoming is required; I don't think the RIPE NCC is going full auto
> on dispensing integers.
>
> And if the goal is simply to end the fake-multihoming that several
> people have welcomed the end of, that can be achieved by removing one
> sentence from the current policy:
>
> "A network must be multihomed in order to qualify for an AS Number."
>
> That would be a considerably smaller change than the proposed rewrite,
> and I would +1 that.
>
> Applying only that small change would also keep the RIPE NCC region from
> diverging unnecessarily from the other RIRs, which is more in line with
> the coordinated registry system the NRO (of which the RIPE NCC is a
> member) exists to promote: "Providing and promoting a coordinated
> Internet number registry system."
>
> The RIPE NCC already has the most relaxed integer dispensing among the
> RIRs. Per the averages in my previous email, RIPE NCC hands out roughly
> twice as many ASNs as ARIN, with some of that coming from other regions
> that prefer our online shop for integers for its simplicity and fewest
> questions asked. As of today the out-of-region ASN registrations are:
> ripencc=1776, apnic=209, arin=96, lacnic=2, afrinic=0, so it is already
> a fairly successful cross-region online shop for integers, and I am not
> convinced it needs more simplification.
>
> [...]
> >
> > We're not trying to tell product and business managers what offers they
> should develop. But we recognise that fewer constraints on innovation are
> likely to unleash new products.
> >
>
> So these new BGP based products do not exist yet, and will either be
> invented or not, independently of whether this policy passes. By the
> same reasoning, another paragraph could be added to the supporting
> arguments stating that both providers and customers could win the
> lottery in countries within the RIPE NCC service region, followed by
> "this is a good thing" to authoritatively qualify it as good. Both
> statements are equally speculative and neither belongs in the rationale.
>
> Radu
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