on our march reports, Jukka was asking: <snip> Things to do before graduation? </snip>
checking the checklist (briefly) it looks like we are "set" ... -M On 3/26/07, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 3/19/07, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Martin, > > your email states that this group should at least manage to get the > release of the plugins out. I did. Currently this group is waiting for > an approval to release the CORE as well. was approved and already released :-) > > One item, we need to check is > > "Project ready to comply with ASF mirroring guidlines" > > I will look at MyFaces, how we do it there, shouldn't be that big deal. posted to /www/people.apache.org/dis/incubator, as suggested here > @GUMP: we use(d) continuum (was reseted currently) > that should be ok?! > > > What is your current thinking about this group? > Start a vote? Fix the missing items? Wait for approval for CORE ? So, what is the next step ? A vote here on this list ? I think, we also need to run a vote on the MyFaces PMC, to accept Trinidad as one of their subprojects. I'll do that vote as well, when time comes ;-) -Matthias > Thanks! > Matthias > > > On 2/10/07, Martin van den Bemt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In short : according to me they are.. Any feedback and additions appreciated.. On note : I like to > > see that at least the plugins get a release before we start a vote on dev (and I expressed below > > that you are targetting to have a release of core before leaving the incubator, although that could > > be a misunderstanding) > > > > If everyone agrees on dev, we start a vote on the incubator general list and after that on the > > MyFaces private list. Exit strategy probably needs to be discussed with the MyFaces crowd (like > > mailinglists) and they probably need to have votes on people on the trinidad ppmc list that are not > > yet on the MyFaces PMC (but that's up to the MyFaces PMC). I'll subscribe to the private myfaces > > list (in case you didn't know : I can as a member, which doesn't actually mean that I am on that PMC > > or have a binding vote there). > > > > > > The very long version : > > > > To determine if Trinidad is ready to leave the incubator I took > > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Exiting+the+Incubator and tried to > > answer all the questions. The first 3 on that page are actually the last ones, since I am treating > > them more as general conclusions. > > > > > > Legal > > > > * All code ASL'ed > > Looking at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ADFFACES-355 it is solved. Most important is that > > before the release everything is ok, so that check needs to be done before a release (eg by using > > RAT, mojo.codehaus.org is working on a maven2 plugin atm). > > > > * No non ASL or ASL compatbile dependencies in the code base > > Don't see any problems here (just checked the deps in the poms). > > > > * License grant complete > > Yep > > > > * CLAs on file. > > Yep. Even people who submitted patches were asked to file a CLA. > > > > * Check of project name for trademark issues > > Was tried, but since no one as access to the trademark database, it has hard to determine. > > > > > > Meritocracy / Community > > > > * Demonstrate an active and diverse development community > > The community is very active, people send in patches that get applied, user community is a bit > > behind, but that should grow ones Trinidad is released. > > > > * The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there's at least 3 legally > > independent committers and there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of the > > project) > > > > The main contributors are all employed by Oracle (based on the *commits* since end of December). > > These are matzew, jwaldman and awiner. > > gcrawford - Oracle > > jfallows - Not oracle anymore > > mmarinschek - Irian (?) > > slessard - DMR Consulting Inc (?) > > baranda - ? > > Mentors / champions > > craigmcc - Sun > > mvdb - Ordina (I don't count myself as a committer though) > > mgeiler - ? (not oracle afaik) > > > > Looking at the above list, it could mean a worry, which will be a lot less worry looking at the rest > > of the exit list. > > > > * The above implies that new committers are admitted according to ASF practices > > > > Absolutely. There were 3 committers added during incubation, one not Oracle and 2 Oracle people. > > From my perspective all 3 deserved to be committer (with that amount of activity, people should be > > voted in as a committer to be honest), so no favours were made just because someone is from Oracle. > > Currently some other people are on the radar to become committer (non Oracle). > > > > * ASF style voting has been adopted and is standard practice > > > > In every way. > > > > * Demonstrate ability to tolerate and resolve conflict within the community. > > > > Haven't noted much conflicts to be honest, but I am happy with the oversight that is done and how > > commits that get feedback get resolved quickly. I use the word feedback, since I haven't noticed any > > strong -1 on a commit, since there is respect for each others knowledge, ego's don't tend to play > > up, which is a good thing. > > > > * Release plans are developed and excuted in public by the community. > > > > This is done and currently the project is making it easier to do release (cut down the manual work > > of the release). The project has some problems getting a release out the door, which is partially > > solved by adding another mentor, so the project actually can get 3 binding votes on a release. The > > goal is to release the plugins and the core before leaving incubation. Currently there is > > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/TrinidadReleaseProcedure on the wiki, which after the releases are > > done can be formalised as a permanent part of the website. > > > > * Engagement by the incubated community with the other ASF communities, particularly infrastructure@ > > (this reflects my personal bias that projects should pay an nfrastructure "tax"). > > > > This is the case, since there is my synergy with the MyFaces community and most people from Trinidad > > are also actively involved there. So infrastructure is less of a problem, since that is handled (in > > the future) by the MyFaces PMC. > > > > * Incubator PMC has voted for graduation > > * Destination PMC, or ASF Board for a TLP, has voted for final acceptance > > > > The goal of this mail to get those votes :) > > > > Alignment / Synergy > > > > * Use of other ASF subprojects > > > > Not specifically, since the goals is to be JSR compliant. > > > > * Develop synergistic relationship with other ASF subprojects > > > > MyFaces is the sponsoring PMC. > > > > Infrastructure > > > > * SVN module has been created > > > > Yep, but it will move to MyFaces. > > > > * Mailing list(s) have been created > > * Mailing lists are being archived > > > > Do we keep the trinidad lists ? > > > > * Issue tracker has been created > > * Project website has been created > > > > Yep. > > > > * Project ready to comply with ASF mirroring guidlines > > > > The maven plugins don't need a seperate download and are therefor mirrored to the maven > > repositories. The Trinidad core still needs a release and will setup a download page according to > > the mirroring guidelines. > > > > * Project is integrated with GUMP if appropriate > > > > It is appropiate, but no gump integration afaik (since I am on the Gump PMC, I like to see this > > happening). > > > > * Releases are PGP signed by a member of the community > > > > Yep. Key signing is part of the standard release process. > > > > * Developers tied into ASF PGP web of trust > > > > Don't have a clue. Everyone coming to Apachecon however can join the Key Signing session to be > > trusted even more :). > > > > Conclusions : > > > > * it is a worthy and healthy project > > > > It is definitely a worthy and healthy project. Even though there can be concerns about the number of > > Oracle people involved, I think they have proven that they treat this project as an Apache project > > and not as an Oracle project. I think a complement is even in order, since it could be very tempting > > to do it the wrong way. > > > > * it truly fits within the ASF framework > > +1 > > > > * it "gets" the Apache Way. > > > > It definitely gets the Apache Way. They are open for feedback, act promptly when something slipped > > through the cracks and they really *want* to do the right thing. I even never heard a complaint on > > having to do things the Apache way. > > > > Mvgr, > > Martin > > > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf > http://tinyurl.com/fmywh > > further stuff: > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com > -- Matthias Wessendorf http://tinyurl.com/fmywh further stuff: blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
-- Matthias Wessendorf http://tinyurl.com/fmywh further stuff: blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
