At 09:00 AM 7/17/02, you wrote:

> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:31 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: [admin] CLUE web-site
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 06:56, Bill Traynor wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Ron Harwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> >Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:44 AM
> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >Subject: Re: [admin] CLUE web-site
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> the more I read about Zope, the more interesting it sounds.
> >> >Here's a
> >> >> blurb from
> >> >> http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ZopeBook/IntroducingZope.stx:
> >> >
> >> >[snip]
> >> >
> >> >> This choice is kind of self serving as well as I will be
> >> >undertaking a
> >> >> Zope based project at work and will be learning it anyway.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thoughts
> >> >> Bill Traynor
> >> >
> >> >If I remember correctly - Zope is an application framework...
> >> >meaning that if you want CMS/Collaboration/etc.  the tools to
> >> >build them are all there - but you still need to either build,
> >> >or find the applications, no?
> >>
> >> Yes, zope is an application framework as you describe.
> >However, there
> >> is a huge user community and any functionality that is provided by a
> >> slash-like site has already been written by someone and is usually
> >> downloadable for free.  And if something isn't there, we can
> >get Rice
> >> to code it up in Perl ;).  The benefit of Zope is in it's
> >flexibility
> >> and extensibility.
> >>
> >> I'm going to do some experimenting with it over the next couple of
> >> weeks and see how it goes.  However, if everyone agrees that
> >the need
> >> to update linux.ca is needed more urgently, we should use a solution
> >> that's faster to implement.
> >>
> >Personally, I wouldn't bother with Zope, too much overhead.
>
>Can you define what you mean by overhead and provide a quick comparison of
>Zope overhead vs. PHP overhead?

Zope is daemon that needs to run all the time. PHP only runs when apache 
needs it.


> >PHP is much faster and can do everything that we would want.
> >Combined with mysql or postgreSQL, php is one of the best web
> >development environments out there. For speed, only JSP is it's equal.
>
>For what it's worth, the only time I've ever seen JSP be fast is on large,
>enterprise class servers.  But that may have changed by now as I was dealing
>with it about 12 months ago.

Hmm,

I was going on some benchmarks from ZDnet that were comparing JSP, PHP4, 
ColdFusion,  ASP, Zope.

PHP was the fastest and JSP was a close second. Everything else was way 
behind with ASP limping at the rear.
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