Hi Zoltan,

you can use the "move nodedata" command to just move data of type "Archive" of 
a node (which is currently located/stored on tape) to an other (e.g. sequential 
file) pool.
After the "move" is done, you can do a "convert stgpool" fort hat amount of 
data.
When that data is converted to the Container Pool, use the "reset convertion" 
command to enable the pool getting filled with new data by another "move 
nodedata" command.

This way you can "slice the elefant".

Regards, Uwe

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> Im Auftrag von Zoltan Forray
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2022 13:48
An: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Betreff: Re: [ADSM-L] Moving archives into containers

Thanks for the suggestions and I would like more info on the undocumented 
"reset conversion" command and what it does.

Unfortunately, since archives are <0.1% of total occupancy, we didn't separate 
them from the backups that roll-off to tape.  But these suggestions do give me 
lots to go on.  Again, thanks for the help!

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 2:43 AM Loon, Eric van (ITOP DI) - KLM < 
eric-van.l...@klm.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Of course that can be an option too, but I suggested the filepool in 
> between because Zoltan only wanted to move the archives.
>
> Kind regards,
> Eric van Loon
> Core Infra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> On Behalf Of 
> David L.A. De Leeuw
> Sent: zondag 26 juni 2022 09:55
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: Moving archives into containers
>
> Hi Eric and Zoltan
>
> Maybe I missed something. Why not directly convert stgpool from the 
> tape storage pool.
> We did this a year ago, took with us the archives and backups 
> (Spectrum Protect doesn't care) and finished the convert in a few 
> weeks (using pretty slow equipment).
> Why the manual work ?
>
> David de Leeuw
> Medical Computing Unit
> Ben-Gurion University of the Negev
> Beer Sheva
> Israel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> On Behalf Of 
> Loon, Eric van (ITOP DI) - KLM
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 6:22 PM
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Moving archives into containers
>
> Hi Zoltan,
>
> I think it's an undocumented command. It's not in the manuals, nor in 
> the help, but I have used in in the past, at least in earlier 8.1 versions.
> Since you're constrained on disk space, moving relatively small amount 
> of clients at once to your small filepool would be an option. The 
> convert will move the data to your container pool and the reset 
> command will allow you to move the next batch of clients to your filepool.
> I know, it's a lot of manual work, but I have moved all out long-term 
> archives from our old servers into our new (container-based) servers 
> this way.
>
> Kind regards,
> Eric van Loon
> Core Infra
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> On Behalf Of 
> Zoltan Forray
> Sent: vrijdag 24 juni 2022 16:15
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: Moving archives into containers
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> Thanks for the recommendations. I always thought the conversion 
> process required the target to be empty.  Unfortunately, we simply do 
> not have sufficient free disk space to perform complete conversions to 
> containers since everything existing stgpools are either on NFS/ISILON 
> (yes I know IBM says this is not-recommended) or server internal disk.  
> Right now I created my first directory/container pool since we had 
> a(nother) hard drive failure in our 5+ year old Powervault so we took 
> this opportunity to learn directory-containers and their limitations.
>
> Not sure what you mean by "reset conversion command".  I couldn't find 
> anything like that in the latest 8.1.14 manual?
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 9:20 AM Loon, Eric van (ITOP DI) - KLM < 
> eric-van.l...@klm.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Zoltan,
> >
> > What you could do is create a file device class and move the files 
> > from tape to this file device class. As soon as the files are there, 
> > you can use the convert stgpool command to move the data into the 
> > directory container stgpool.
> > If you do this in batches, you don't need a very large filepool. 
> > After emptying your filepool, you can use the reset conversion 
> > command to make the filepool available for new data.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Eric van Loon
> > Air France/KLM
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> On Behalf Of 
> > Zoltan Forray
> > Sent: vrijdag 24 juni 2022 14:39
> > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> > Subject: Moving archives into containers
> >
> > We are currently in the midst of a big project to relocate our 
> > datacenter, by the end of 2023, to a new, smaller building.
> >
> > At the same time, we are actively pursuing redesigning/replacing our 
> > "Enterprise Data Protection" solution which may likely move us 
> > completely away from Spectrum Protect. FWIW, this project started 
> > before we were told we had to move out of our existing location.
> >
> > As an absolute minimum, we need to get everything off old magnetic 
> > tape
> > (3592) that we need to retain beyond 2023 (archives), since the new 
> > datacenter will not have the physical space to accommodate tapes.
> >
> > Now that we have upgraded all ISP servers to 8.1.14.100/eFix 102, we 
> > have started playing with directory-containers, since there is now 
> > support for "protecting" containers to magnetic tape (for offsite
> backups).
> >
> > With the additional directory-container support/tools, we were 
> > wondering if there is a way to get backups/archives into a 
> > directory-container stgpool other than during ingestion from a client?
> >
> > If we do move away from Spectrum Protect, is the only way to retain 
> > long-term archives is to recover them to the original 
> > platform/server and then move them to whatever long-term storage platform 
> > we choose (i.e.
> > object, cloud)?
> >
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