On Feb 12, 2008 7:14 PM, <advocacy-discuss-request at opensolaris.org> wrote:
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Re: FW: Wider Advocacy Initiatives (Jim Grisanzio) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:41:30 -0800 (PST) > From: Alan DuBoff <alan.duboff at sun.com> > Subject: Re: [advocacy-discuss] Advocacy Core Contributor > To: Jim Walker <James.Walker at sun.com> > Cc: OpenSolaris Advocacy <advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org> > Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0802120440490.16089 at eagle> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Jim Walker wrote: > > > I nominate Brian Gupta for Advocacy Core Contributor. > > > > Brain Gupta has been co-leading the New York OpenSolaris User Group > > with Isaac Rozenfeld and doing Community outreach for OpenSolaris > > as a member of several New York City User groups (Lisp, Linux, Ruby, > > and others). In addition, he is the founder of the mentoring project. > > Recently he has been working with the WebStack team giving them > > feedback based on conversations with the Ruby User Group and has > > started giving state of the union notes on opensolaris in UNIGROUP > > meetings (http://www.unigroup.org). Brain actively participates > > on multiple OpenSolaris discussion lists answering questions > > and helping guide the community using his extensive knowledge > > of Solaris and Unix based operating systems and applications. > > > > +1 > > > > Jim Walker > > Advocacy Core Contributor > > Absolutely, I don't follow this list much but happened to notice it. I do > get the messages...they just filter off into a folder...:-/ > > -- > > Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 IHV/OEM Group > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:55:27 -0800 > From: "Siobhan P. Lynch" <trish at reliantsec.net> > Subject: Re: [advocacy-discuss] FW: Wider Advocacy Initiatives > To: <Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM> > Cc: advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org > Message-ID: > < > 9F819487C44F0B4DBDB0CC0450824CEB07E68D8C at ehost005-2.exch005intermedia.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'll get to some of this later, since I have a ton of things to do this > morning, I really only want to address several key points, and try and > clarify my position.... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM [mailto:Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:19 AM > > To: Siobhan P. Lynch > > Cc: advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org > > Subject: Re: [advocacy-discuss] FW: Wider Advocacy Initiatives > > > > Hi ... happy to kick around your suggestions. Welcome ... > > > > Siobhan P. Lynch wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have noticed that much of the OpenSolaris advocacy efforts are in > > > the usergroup/grassroots areas of advocacy. > > > > > > > > > > The entire project is spreading the word. > > > > We started from zero. Now we have 10,000 people on 250 lists and > 90,000 > > people registered on the site. We've sent out about 20K Starter Kits. > > We > > have 20 million lines of code and several distributions. > > > > Universities around the world are teaching OpenSolaris, and Sun has an > > education program with more than 500 Campus Ambassadors all talking > > OpenSolaris at school. Then there is the Sun Tech Days World Tour > > Conference (running for two years with OpenSolaris in dozens of > > cities), > > the OpenSolaris Summit, the OpenSolaris Developer Conference, and > > several dozen other industry conferences where OpenSolaris is > > presented, > > not to mention the China and India university programs that are > > reaching > > tens of thousands of new students. And I think all the engineering and > > marketing efforts around Project Indiana (install, packaging, > > modernization, etc) will help us engage a very large number of new > > users. > > > > > I think, as someone in the corporate and open source developer > communities, I really didn't get almost ANY exposure to OpenSolaris > until I was looking to do something very specific for a very specific > project, and started looking around for tools to do the job. > > This tells me, while all of these advocacy initiatives abroad are very > good (and probably are just as effective as the FreeBSD advocacy > initiatives in Japan in the early 90's), they haven't hit right where OS > needs to be to ensure growth in the US. I see what you mean about > education initiatives, but the people who are effected by that may not > be leaders in the corporate communities for another 10-15 years, and > meanwhile, you have the Linux and BSD people leading the way, when there > are many OpenSolaris features that knock the socks off both Linux and > BSD (and I'm not abandoning the BSD camp, far from it, I want to see BSD > adopt some of the technologies, like DTrace and SMF, ZFS is already > there...). > > Plus they've ALL got the Sun logo on them :) Which while it gets > students working with a "commercial OS", the Linux and BSD's have "cool > value" :) > > I think what I want to see is more commercial support away from Sun > itself. I think that Sun might be the problem, and not the solution. The > BSD advocacy efforts succeeded in *spite* of corporate "advocacy", not > because of it. > > And by conferences, I mean non-Open Solaris focused conferences, like > USENIX and other non-Sun and OS sponsored conferences. > > > > > > That's just off the top of my head. There is probably more going on. > > Oh, > > the contest, too ... > > > > You bring up good points. And we are doing many of the things you > > suggest, but it does take time to get the word out around the world. > > I'm > > interested in hearing how we can do it better based on what we are > > already doing. I'm less concerned about reaching everyone, per say, > and > > more concerned about practical steps to ensure our growth. In other > > words, as we grow to engage more general users, how do we manage that? > > We are making a transition from a developer-only community to a > > community that has many more layers. What effect will that have have > on > > governance? > > I'm not sure it should, per se. I think maybe splitting the developer > and guidance communities off from Sun, but allowing the "OpenSolaris" > trademark to be owned by a non-profit steering group with loose ties to > Sun might work, or Sun working out a free "licensing" of the trademark > to this Non-Profit. I'm not really sure, I just feel that Indiana has > turned into a project for Sun to try and grab back the trademark and the > Open Source project for its own purposes, and it has every right to do > so, I just think it will alienate and destroy any good will its garnered > among the people outside the Sun camp in development right now. > > > > How do we as a community do our own community building > > without having to rely on Sun for resources all the time? I started a > > thread a while back talking about some of these issues: > > http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=50069&tstart=0 > > > > Yes, I think so, and I think that's where I was heading with my post, > not in the direction of relying on Sun more, but by not relying on Sun, > and forming support infrastructures without it. Inviting other corporate > entities (I know there's not many yet) to help with the advocacy > initiatives, etc. > > -Trish > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:58:28 -0800 > From: "Siobhan P. Lynch" <trish at reliantsec.net> > Subject: Re: [advocacy-discuss] Advocacy Core Contributor > To: "Jim Grisanzio" <Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM>, > <advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org> > Message-ID: > < > 9F819487C44F0B4DBDB0CC0450824CEB07E68D8D at ehost005-2.exch005intermedia.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I've known Brian for years (though we've just recently reconnected due > to the NYC OS UG), and I think he 100% deserves this. Kudos to Brian > (who taught me much of what I needed to know about the state of the > OpenSolaris community in one night). > > -Trish > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: advocacy-discuss-bounces at opensolaris.org > [mailto:advocacy-discuss- > > bounces at opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Grisanzio > > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:00 AM > > To: advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org > > Subject: Re: [advocacy-discuss] Advocacy Core Contributor > > > > Cool. That's 3 for Brian. I think the OGB had a deadline coming soon, > so > > I'll send this over to Glynn now. We don't have any other CC proposals > > pending. > > > > Jim > > > > > > Jim Walker wrote: > > > Thanks Ben. > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > Do you want to roll this up to the OBG? > > > Another day another Core Contributor :) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Jim > > > > > > Ben Rockwood wrote: > > > > > >> I'll happily put in a final +1 for Mr. Gupta. He's strong willed, > free > > minded, and tenacious, all welcome and needed attributes of > OpenSolaris > > Core Contribs. > > >> > > >> benr. > > >> -- > > >> > > >> This message posted from opensolaris.org > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> advocacy-discuss mailing list > > >> advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org > > >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy-discus > > > > -- > > Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris > > > > _______________________________________________ > > advocacy-discuss mailing list > > advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy-discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:12:33 +0900 > From: Jim Grisanzio <Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM> > Subject: Re: [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris User Group Kits -- Order > Now > To: advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org > Message-ID: <47B19B41.4040507 at sun.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Ok, we are past the deadline, so we're done. :) I have all your orders > (56 groups and about 5,000 shirts and other items) all in a big hairy > spreadsheet. I'll check it over to make sure I don't have too many > mistakes, and I'll send to Teresa and Linda for checking and shipping. > I'll let you know when they actually start sending the kits, but it > shouldn't be too long. When you get your stuff, send out some pics. :) > > Jim > > > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: > > Final reminder. Deadline to order is Fri the 8th. There are still a few > > groups that have not responded, and I have pinged their lists, too. > > > > Jim > > > > > > Jim Grisanzio wrote: > > > >> hey ... 23 groups ordered kits this week. That's excellent. Deadline > for > >> the rest is Feb 8th. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> > >> Jim Grisanzio wrote: > >> > >> > >>> hey, guys. > >>> > >>> A few months ago, we talked about the possibility of sending out > >>> OpenSolaris User Group Kits, and we had a discussion about what to put > >>> in those kits. Well, recently, Teresa got some cash from Solaris > >>> engineering to put together a one time offer of t-shirts, baseball > caps, > >>> bottle openers, and starter kits. These will be available on a > >>> first-come, first-served basis over the next 4 weeks. We have a > deadline > >>> of Feb 8 due to budget, storage, and shipping issues. So, please get > >>> your request in before the 8th. If we have more resources in the > future, > >>> we'll certainly do more at that time. But for now this is a one time > >>> deal to get some swag in your hands for meetings and events. > >>> > >>> So, if you lead an existing group sponsored by the Advocacy CG > >>> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/advocacy/usergroups/ug-leaders/you > >>> can order a kit by sending mail to osug-kits at sun.com with your > shipping > >>> information (see format below). We will send you up to 20% more shirts > >>> than the number of people you currently have on your user group list, > so > >>> multiply by 1.2 to get your number and split that into the # of Small, > >>> Medium, Large, X-Large, and XX-Large sizes you'd like. The minimum > >>> shipment will be 25 shirts to accommodate smaller groups or groups > just > >>> getting started. We will add to the kit the other items in numbers > that > >>> we can reasonably spread out among all the groups. Also, the Sun email > >>> alias you will send your shipping information to only has three people > >>> on it -- Linda, Teresa, and myself -- so please keep all shipping > >>> correspondence on that private list. > >>> > >>> Format of ordering email to osug-kits at sun.com: > >>> > >>> Subject of Mail: Your OpenSolaris UG Name > >>> > >>> Body of Mail: > >>> > >>> OpenSolaris UG Name > >>> Name of one (1) UG leader responsible to receive/distribute shipment: > >>> Full shipping address: > >>> Phone Number: > >>> Email address: > >>> > >>> Total # of T-Shirts: > >>> > >>> T-Shirt sizes: > >>> - # of Small > >>> - # of Medium > >>> - # of Large > >>> - # of X-Large > >>> - # of XX-Large > >>> > >>> We will try to start shipping in early February. Send out some pics > when > >>> you get the stuff, too. :) > >>> > >>> Jim > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > -- > Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:43:38 +0900 > From: Jim Grisanzio <Jim.Grisanzio at Sun.COM> > Subject: Re: [advocacy-discuss] FW: Wider Advocacy Initiatives > To: "Siobhan P. Lynch" <trish at reliantsec.net> > Cc: advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org > Message-ID: <47B1A28A.5050009 at sun.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Siobhan P. Lynch wrote: > > > > > > I think, as someone in the corporate and open source developer > > communities, I really didn't get almost ANY exposure to OpenSolaris > > until I was looking to do something very specific for a very specific > > project, and started looking around for tools to do the job. > > > > I'm not surprised, actually. We started the project in a rather low key > way and have been growing slowly -- but steadily -- every since. I think > in the last year or so we have really started growing at a much faster > rate in terms of advocacy, though. The Starter Kits have helped a great > deal, we finally got most of the source out there, and most recently > Project Indiana has raised the profile of the project. We launched about > 3 years ago in a low key way because we weren't really ready to be > aggressive in the outreach area. We had to open all this stuff in > stages, and really, for the first two years the team internally was > concerned with just opening source and infrastructure. User groups grew > organically for the most part, too, with very little Sun resources > invested. And given all that, the Advocacy CG is the largest by far of > all the CGs on OpenSolaris. It's sort of interesting how that happened. > I think it means we have the /potential/ to have a really cool global > grassroots advocacy program here. > > > This tells me, while all of these advocacy initiatives abroad are very > > good (and probably are just as effective as the FreeBSD advocacy > > initiatives in Japan in the early 90's), they haven't hit right where OS > > needs to be to ensure growth in the US. > > I would agree. The US is a different market, I think, since Solaris had > an installed base there from long ago, but it competes with Windows, > Linux, and other OSs for developers and/or customers. And also, it was > always more of a server OS, but more recently we've been moving to the > desktop and on Intel and AMD platforms. Lots of transitions going on: > Solaris 10 was a major system release, OpenSolaris was the opening of > the code, and the movement to the x86 space. > > > > I see what you mean about > > education initiatives, but the people who are effected by that may not > > be leaders in the corporate communities for another 10-15 years, > > I agree. But although they may not be leaders in the corporate area for > a while, they will certainly be working in the corporate space much > sooner than a decade and will have influence as well. Edu is a long term > play for sure, though. > > > and > > meanwhile, you have the Linux and BSD people leading the way, when there > > are many OpenSolaris features that knock the socks off both Linux and > > BSD (and I'm not abandoning the BSD camp, far from it, I want to see BSD > > adopt some of the technologies, like DTrace and SMF, ZFS is already > > there...). > > > > Well, sure, Linux is leading the way and they deserve to lead they way. > They've been building a community for quite some time now. :) We're > somewhat new at it, but we are catching up (and in some markets leading, > such as the European finance market that Forrester just documented). We > should learn from what Linux has done. It's most impressive to me. And I > think we are learning, too. I think a lot of what Indiana tells us is to > take the best of Linux and the best of OpenSolaris. That's quite a > powerful combination. > > > > Plus they've ALL got the Sun logo on them :) Which while it gets > > students working with a "commercial OS", the Linux and BSD's have "cool > > value" :) > > > > I think what I want to see is more commercial support away from Sun > > itself. I think that Sun might be the problem, and not the solution. > > Could be. Sun has big feet for sure, but we also take criticism for not > doing enough. It's confusing sometimes. :) We still need to find the > right balance in advocating all this stuff. Where does Sun do using its > corporate resources and what does the community do using grassroots > resources. > > > The > > BSD advocacy efforts succeeded in *spite* of corporate "advocacy", not > > because of it. > > > > I'd love to hear more about that. That would be a good lesson for us > here, no question about it. > > > And by conferences, I mean non-Open Solaris focused conferences, like > > USENIX and other non-Sun and OS sponsored conferences. > > > > > > > > > > > >> That's just off the top of my head. There is probably more going on. > >> Oh, > >> the contest, too ... > >> > >> You bring up good points. And we are doing many of the things you > >> suggest, but it does take time to get the word out around the world. > >> I'm > >> interested in hearing how we can do it better based on what we are > >> already doing. I'm less concerned about reaching everyone, per say, > >> > > and > > > >> more concerned about practical steps to ensure our growth. In other > >> words, as we grow to engage more general users, how do we manage that? > >> We are making a transition from a developer-only community to a > >> community that has many more layers. What effect will that have have > >> > > on > > > >> governance? > >> > > > > I'm not sure it should, per se. I think maybe splitting the developer > > and guidance communities off from Sun, but allowing the "OpenSolaris" > > trademark to be owned by a non-profit steering group with loose ties to > > Sun might work, or Sun working out a free "licensing" of the trademark > > to this Non-Profit. I'm not really sure, I just feel that Indiana has > > turned into a project for Sun to try and grab back the trademark and the > > Open Source project for its own purposes, and it has every right to do > > so, I just think it will alienate and destroy any good will its garnered > > among the people outside the Sun camp in development right now. > > > > Well, I don't want to get into the trademark issues again and I've > expressed my views a lot. It's been discussed at length, and I see on > ogb-discuss that it's coming to resolution now. I'm not trying to put > this aside, honestly, but I'd just like to focus on working from where > we are given our circumstances. We can do a lot with what we have right > now. > > > > > >> How do we as a community do our own community building > >> without having to rely on Sun for resources all the time? I started a > >> thread a while back talking about some of these issues: > >> http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=50069&tstart=0 > >> > >> > > > > Yes, I think so, and I think that's where I was heading with my post, > > not in the direction of relying on Sun more, but by not relying on Sun, > > and forming support infrastructures without it. Inviting other corporate > > entities (I know there's not many yet) to help with the advocacy > > initiatives, etc. > > > > Cool. That's very helpful. Thanks. Also, Sun has cut deals with some > companies lately around OpenSolaris, so I would expect some corporate > advocacy stuff to emerge. I know the Intel guys already do some of that > right now. > > Jim > > -- > Jim Grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > advocacy-discuss mailing list > advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy-discuss > > > End of advocacy-discuss Digest, Vol 9, Issue 20 > *********************************************** the project team is FACULTY ADVISOR ------RAJEEV KUMAR 1.HITESH KUMAR 2.PRATHMESH SINGH 3.KSHITIJ VISHAL 4.VISHAL GUPTA 5.VIKAS 7.RAHUL GUPTA 8.PRANJAL JUGLAN 9.ABHISHEK 10MANUJ SINGH 11SAURABH MAKTA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/advocacy-discuss/attachments/20080212/fab3d900/attachment.html>
