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On 2010/03/02, at 16:02, Uros Nedic <urosn at live.com> wrote:

>
> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 01:23:54 -0300
> From: hsaltiel at gmail.com
> To: mary.dopart at oracle.com
> CC: tina.weiss at oracle.com; marina.neumann at oracle.com; jackie.rose at 
> oracle.com 
> ; advocacy-discuss at opensolaris.org; osug-leaders at opensolaris.org; 
> marcia.spencer at oracle.com 
> ; bambi.staveley at oracle.com
> Subject: Re: [osug-leaders] Upcoming Tech Days - India and Russia
>
> Hi, Mary!
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Mary Dopart <mary.dopart at oracle.com>  
> wrote:
> All,
> (...)
>
> If you plan to attend one of the events, we hope you will make time  
> to meet with members of the users group team!  Please send mail to  
> them to set up  a time to meet them - they will reply to your mail  
> and suggest at time to meet and will also indicate the name of the  
> Oracle booth for the meeting!  We do hope you will take time to join  
> the team and discuss your issues, concerns and plans for your group!
> Send mail to
> nichole.scott at sun.com
> bambi.staveley at oracle.com
> jackie.rose at oracle.com
> mary.dopart at oracle.com
>
>
> Are you planing any other way to meet us, like conference calls, or  
> video conference?
> For some of us (I'm talking for people like us, in Argentina, who  
> have a currency issue) it's impossible to travel to one of this  
> countries, because the travel cost represents, sometimes, two entire  
> salaries.
>
> During the last few weeks we received many requests from leaders to  
> secure travel subsidies to attend the upcoming events.  We  
> understand that travel subsidies may have been available in the  
> past, but Oracle's corporate policy does not allow us to provide  
> subsidies for customers or users group leader to travel to an event.
>
> I remember from my four years working at Oracle Argentina a rule  
> like this, because of a "ethics and gift limits" policy. I  
> understand this, and support the idea of having a gift limit. As you  
> can see, I studied the Oracle ethics manual (yeah!), and I'm  
> convinced about its value :-) .
> Don't understand why user group leaders cannot have this benefit.  
> It's like inviting somebody to give a talk to my company, and  
> avoiding to pay his/her flight.
> If you check the behaviour of other Open Source communities around  
> the world, the normal behaviour is to pay the travel when interested  
> in having somebody "at home".
> I'm an active member of CaFeLUG (Capital Federal GNU/Linux Users  
> Group), and this is what we did when we received Richard Stallman,  
> Maddog Hall, and several other Open Source evangelists.
> Knowing this, I understand there must be another way to have almost  
> the same level of communication with you, Nichole, Bambi and Jackie.  
> This is why I need to know (maybe more people are concerned about  
> this) how will you facilitate this, or if this policy will be  
> reviewed in some way.
>
>
> We hope that if you are near the events, you will be able to attend  
> one of them.  And we are committed to staying in touch with all on  
> this distribution list so you understand our plans and next steps  
> for the users groups!  If you have questions please send them along  
> to us.
>
> Thank you for your support and participation!
>
> Regards,
> Mary Lou Dopart
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Hern?n "HeCSa" Saltiel
> AOSUG leader
> CaFeLUG member
> Verizon Business Project Manager
> ITIL - PMP certified
>
>
>
>
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> -- 
> HeCSa
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>
>
> I completely agree what Hernan said.
>
> Uros Nedic
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Absolutely agree with you 2 :)

+1

-masafumi

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