Frankly, I think you philosophers are lost in the
wilderness.  

Derek keeps talking about the shallowness and
confusion re aesthetics and beauty but fails to engage
any developed philosophical view on the  question with
the aim to show its strengths and weaknesses on its
own terms.  Isn't that what philosophers do?  
Cheerskep is insisting that we must offer language
that can transmit our meaning intentions to a hearer,
when in fact, we never have any control over the
hearer's response.  We hope for empathy, or
submission.  I suppose symbolic logic would work to
ensure communication but few people are skilled in the
art and it's very close or nearly identical to
mathematics.  We can ensure exact communication with
mathematics but few people are skilled with it.

Both philosophers (artists are too unruly to be
philosophers) I mean Derek and Cheerskep, seem to want
to exclude lyrical, descriptive, metaphorical language
in favor of exact correspondence between a word and
the supposed meaning that, like Cinderella's shoe,
neatly fit it. Oops, there I go again, using an
picture-image to suggest an analogy for the quest for
exact language.  I suspect it's a vivid one, however,
more functional than the very abstract linguistic
notions.  I suspect the fundamental cognition is
pictorial.  We sense pictures and then try to clothe
them in words...while they act like restless kids.

Thus Cheerskep gives himself wiggle room, saying that
more than one word might be serviceable but deep down
he'd prefer it was unnecessary.

I wish you guys would get it settled.  Is the tennis
ball of reality in the subjective court or the
objective court?  Or is it the net that defines
reality?
WC

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