A lot of people agree with Mando except few of them are serious students. What can be more discouraging or wasteful than to tell a student to follow his or her own aesthetic or "creativity" when none is evident to that student? There is plenty to teach without dictating a manner. Usually the bad teachers are the ones who encourage a non-critical "feel-good" methodology without any guidelines or standards in a vain effort to win the affection of the untalented and uninterested. They might as well tell the student, "the dumb stuff you're doing and your ignorant narcissism are fine so don't bother to do anything else and I'll praise it". A good teacher knows how to foster creativity while also making students aware of what excellence is and what it requires. Actually, there's no such thing as "individual creativity" because one of the easiest things to do is to show how any creative effort has an echo in some other creative effort. No one can "create" something that's completely different from something already done. Even the work of insane people has its similarities --and ditto for the so-called naive or primitive or outsider artists. There is, I think, personality, a particular range of inflections of character and choice of valuing and action, but that is not creativity. Creativity is public. It is sharable and it can be fitted to large concepts and genres. wc
----- Original Message ---- From: armando baeza <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 11:06:56 AM Subject: Re: Question for Mando My original feeling from day one, is that teachers get in the way of creativity, specially those with the most success. Perhaps true philosophers in aesthetics would make better teachers of art. The area where, in aesthetics, all art exists,regardless of taste. Where we all perceive the essence of all things, individually differently, is a Gold Mine ,Why would teachers want to direct that, in individual creativity by teaching the successful path of others and discouraging one's individual taste. I think art was never made to be taught or controlled be anyone,except by the freedom of each individual's will to make their own path. mando On Nov 14, 2009, at 7:18 AM, Chris Miller wrote: > Now that Francis has raised the issue of expertise, I wonder whether it can be > avoided when determining who should curate exhibits in a museum or teach in an > art school. > > Given your almost exclusive concern with subjectivity -- how do you think such > determinations should be made ? > > Or do you strike a laissez-faire attitude, and just let such things happen as > they will? > > > ............................................ > >> The truth is, that, what we see as beautiful," Is beautiful" to each one of > us, individually. That is based on our individual mind's experiences of > beauty. The more one experiences, the more "subjective" judgments one makes. > If beauty was in the object, we would not have be discussing aesthetics. > Science would have settled that long ago, and they may, yet. > mando > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Weight Loss Program > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/c?cp=rMJkTI2z4bvE0xF_5h-mMQAAJz6c > l_zTaptgNR5c8Mer1v9kAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA=
