Frances gets into trouble when she conflates art with its uses and links 
qualitative judgment with those uses.  There is also a problem with 
intentionality because of the Intentional Fallacy: whereas it may be necessary 
to have an intention to engage in creative activity or to have an artistic 
goal, 
 those intentions are not sufficient to guarantee success.  That depends on 
other factors.  The Institutional Theory provides them.  Yet even the 
Institutional theory is a fallacy because there's no way to assure any 
uniformity of outcome among authorities.  It comes down to power one way or 
another.  The most enduring form of power in culture is money.  Money is rare 
in 
big amounts, and relatively stable,  and thus when a lot of money is attached 
to 
a group or individual exercising the judgment according to the pragmatics of 
the 
institutional theory, it becomes the standard of quality. 

A criminal is determined by law, not by other means.  Deviancy or perversion 
are 
societal conditions defined by societal laws.  Although there are probably deep 
evolutionary reasons for those laws.  We don't speak of the deviancy or 
perversion among animals but most people have seen it.  Art is determined the 
same way we determine the value of other societal acts, albeit much more 
loosely 
than by laws.  In art we speak of conventions of taste and allow for plenty of 
latitude in that.  In the end there are no really fixed boundaries for judging 
human behavior or for judging human art and thus there's no real reason to seek 
correspondence between those classes of judgments.  Their correspondence or 
lack 
thereof is coincidental or coercive.  For example, Hitler made quite ordinary 
and nicely pleasant watercolor paintings.  We can find nothing in them that 
reveals his propensity to evil.  He did them in full conformity to artistic 
conventions of the era. His social actions with people and in war did not 
follow 
conventions. 

Artworks and all other non-human objects cannot be moral or immoral.  They are 
meaningless things.  Their meanings and morality is ascribed to them and it is 
always fluid, changing from moment to moment, from person to person, form 
context to context.  Laws and other modes of coercion try to fix meanings and 
morality,quality, etc., for a time, as if these attributes are inherent to 
objects.   Money does it best because money enables power.  No a happy, 
uplifting thought but true. Maybe that's why people invented religions and 
gods...to have at least the belief that something was more powerful than money. 
Isn't it interesting that the religions' afterlife scenarios are always really 
affluent, bejeweled, golden, etc?


----- Original Message ----
From: Frances Kelly <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 1:10:04 PM
Subject: RE: "Today we often confuse certification with education. In    fact  
our society seems to value the former more than the latter..."

Frances to Armando and others... 
No person need likely be educated to be artistic or to be an
artist or to posit good artworks. The individual person alone
however cannot determine this, because they may be suffering a
deluded illusion. Only a group of normal peers therefore can
tentatively determine if any of this is true. This raises an
issue as to whether the nice crafts of perverts and deviants and
maniacs should be held deemed as bad art or rather as applied art
or as ordinary objects of say kitsch or simply as nonart. To call
bad art at least as fine art at all seems to be wrong somehow.
The potential artifices and artifacts and artiforms as artworks
therefore will grow from being ordinary nonart or applied art to
becoming extraordinary fine art by the natural process of
evolution. Such growth entails adeptive chance and adaptive
change and adoptive choice. The overall direction of an aspiring
artist therefore leans toward a good end goal, although many of
the exploratory paths and routes may be bad or wrong and evil.
The correction must however lay with the normal group of learned
experts. 

Armando wrote... 
I don't think art follows the process of evolution into goodness,
but more likely the process of change into variations of it. 

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