Frances to William and others... 

Under pragmatism all the mental things in the brain and its mind
are held to be derived externally from the prior sense of
phenomena held in memory. The psyche cannot generate its own
mental things internally by epiphenomenal means, whether those
things are visions or notions or associations or nominations or
ideations. The brain after all is in the body of the human being,
all of which is a material physical construct. This of course
entails that evolving matter like an atom is itself effete or
weak mind that is engaged in quasi thought. 

In feeling to sense external phenomena, the psyche experiences
the seeming phenomenal haze of likely phenomenal stuff that mind
guesses to be a really true fact. The haze is an indirect
mirrored representation of the stuff, which stuff cannot be
directly accessed due to the glassy limits of sense and mind. If
some mere property of a fact can be felt sensed, and even by some
kind of moderating representation in the mind, then that fact is
an object and is real to sense in mind. If an actual concrete
fact cannot yet be sensed at all, then it may very well remain
existent in the world, but it will not be real. The hazy reality
of stuff is only as real as sense. 

The mind however is brought into a relation with the external
object of sense, and not with its own subjective sense of the
object, because it is after all the object that is held to be
sensed. It is the relativity of the situation that yields
reality. If the collective community of normal individuals who
are similarly engaged will agree by a consensus of opinion that
the seeming haze conforms to the likely stuff, then the guessed
factuality can reasonably be held as a true reality. 

The formal science of general philosophy that prepares for all
this sentient metaphysical activity is ontology and especially
its phenomenology. It entails the "observation" by the self of
its own inner feelings of what phenomenal haze is felt sensed,
and then the "expression" of that represented finding in reports
to others similarly engaged, so that a final conclusion can be
tentatively reached. This phenomenology is the basis under
epistemology of empirical methodology. It is interesting to note
however that for pragmatists the represented haze given
uncontrolled to phenomenology cannot be tested unlike most other
sciences, so that it must rely on the reports of experts engaged
in feeling phenomena. 

>From your previous remarks below it seems that our positions are
perhaps not very far apart. It was always my feeling that inside
the integrationist there must be a reactionary realist trying to
wiggle out. 

(Thanks for mentioning the book "Vision and The Biology of
Seeing" by Margaret Livingstone in this post, and for mentioning
other similar books on perception and cognition in past posts;
all of which will be sought later.) 


William wrote... 
The object experienced is the mental construction of the object,
projected. 
That does not mean that there is no object out there. It simply
means that we 
can't know it in its objectivity. Imagine looking at fish at the
aquarium. You 
see them through the glass. The glass distorts vision and thus
you don't see 
the fish as they are without the glass. So too with all sight,
the image you 
project was constructed in your brain and certain neurons fool
you into thinking 
it's out there. Meanwhile the object of your sight is what it is.
Never purely 
and objectively known.
The construction of vision is quite well understood in science.
Nothing weird 
or conjectural. See Vision and The Biology of Seeing by Margaret
Livingstone.

Frances wrote... 
The subject must be brought into a relation with the object of
its own sense. It is therefore relativity that cannot be avoided.
It is hence objectivity or subjectivity alone that fails to
account for reality. In other words, the percipient is related in
a relative ground with the object that they experience, and not
with their own experience, because it is after all the object
that is experienced. 

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