Ubiquiti contends that some of their software is still running after you install Elevate. They never refer to Elevate by name; throughout the document they call it "Hacked Firmware" capitalized like a proper noun.

AirOS is OpenWRT (ie Linux).  The hardware is a general purpose computer in a rainproof housing running a general purpose operating system with a pretty configuration web page.  I would characterize ePMP the same way.  I'm oversimplifying, but that's /basically/ what these products are.

I'm sure they will present their case a different way than I am, but if I've bought the hardware and now I own it, I am definitely allowed to put my own software on it, or even put someone else's software on it.  I don't believe for a minute that I could be constrained by an EULA in this.  I'm sure we'll find out who's right in court, but if Jay's argument is right, that would be like selling me a hammer and making me click an agreement that I can only hit your proprietary nails with it.  Or selling me a car and telling me I can only put your brand of gasoline in it.

-Adam


On 8/10/2018 4:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
OK, but if you violate a software agreement, you should just simply stop using the code, right? Does Cambium root the radio or is there still UBNT code running?  I have not followed this product at all.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:46 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
oh yes they are.  the agreement itself tells the user what they can and can't do.  the lawsuit is saying cambium violated that agreement by changing the code, etc, and even using / reusing some of the same code.  and replacing the copyright with cambium's copyright, lots of little things adding up.

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Mathew Howard
    *To:* AFMUG
    *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 2:41 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
    Unless the radio is old enough that it came with firmware that
    didn't have that feature...
    But they're saying that Cambium is specifically instructing people
    to accept the agreement, and then violate the terms. They don't
    appear to be going after anyone so much for violating the
    agreement, but rather for telling other people to violate the
    agreement.
    On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:34 PM CBB - Jay Fuller
    <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

        they're saying you have to accept the license agreement to
        access a radio to even change software.
        they are right - - unless you use tftp recovery.   you don't
        have to do that on a dell computer.

            ----- Original Message -----
            *From:* Adam Moffett
            *To:* af@af.afmug.com
            *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:47 PM
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
            Dell isn't harmed when you install Linux on your computer.
            Likewise I don't see how Ubiquiti is harmed when you
            install Elevate.

            Someone has to spell out the difference for me.


            On 8/10/2018 2:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
            so - assuming they are held liable and have to pay damages
            how much do ya'll estimate they've made from elevate?
            now, don't get me wrong, i have a soft spot for both
            companies. they've both made me a lot of money.
            i hate to see them doing this - - but i fully see ubnt's
            point of view too.

                ----- Original Message -----
                *From:* Mathew Howard
                *To:* AFMUG
                *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:37 PM
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
                Cambium is not publicly traded... unless something
                has changed recently.
                On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 1:30 PM CBB - Jay Fuller
                <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

                    wasn't aware cambium was publically traded?

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
                        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                        *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 1:23 PM
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
                        Or short Cambium.... you never know.
                        MoviePass is selling at 5.1 cents per share
                        right now.
                        Or 20 milli cents in pre split dollars.  
                        Millipennys? Money is metric, right?
                        In other words, I bought at 60 cents and it
                        is now at 0.020 cents...
                        *From:* Tyson Burris
                        *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 12:19 PM
                        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

                        Looks like its time to short the hell of UBNT
                        stock.  I don’t see a lawsuit as a favorable
                        to WISP opinions.  Dragging WISPs and Vendors
                        into it is very sticky.

                        Could end up being negative.

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                        *Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 9:31:29 AM
                        *Subject: *[AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

                        
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                        Ubiquiti Networks, Inc.​ sues Cambium Networks​.

                        
https://www.law360.com/articles/1071813/wireless-co-ubiquiti-says-rival-sells-hacking-firmware

                        I'd like to see more of the claims.

                        They've also sued Sakid Ahmed and Dmitry
                        Moiseev of Cambium.

                        They've sued WINNCOM TECHNOLOGIES, CORP.​.

                        They've sued BLIP Networks​, a WISP in
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