Easy to make all kind of specious and spurious claims when filing a lawsuit.
You can sue anyone for anything, doesn’t matter if your claims are true or not.
And of course conspiracy and RICO get thrown in like floor mats and
undercoating.
Then there is a series of answers and amendments.
Then a bunch of scheduling.
Then perhaps a year or two later discovery may start.
Then motions and hearings on motions....
Like it is pretty easy to set someone’s house on fire.
Just takes a match.
Much more difficult to do the disaster recovery.
And the person with the match has to do that disaster recovery some times.
If the defendants are lucky they will win attorney fees.
One thing is certain, everybody gets to spend lots of money on this.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
Well since they're in the spotlight the IRS may take a gander at them
On Sat, Sep 1, 2018, 11:43 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
I’m not sure what Tim is referring to but ubiquiti is for sure going after as
much money as possible because they filed the suit under RICO law which is a
civil law used against the mofia. They are seeking treble (3x) damages which
is what RICO allows. I think it adds up to around $300million or more.
It’s a ridiculous assault on our community.
-Sean
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 5:05 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
Ok, that's interesting and I certainly didn't see that in my super-duper
quick scan.. UBNT has a contract with cambium?
On 08/31/2018 01:26 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:
> I read through that case there sueing more to get out of there contract
> with cambium then money and the end user is suspected of making profit
> and helping cambium
>
> I'm NOT saying UBNT is right or wrong
>
> There is just not enough information out yet to get super angry yet
>
> Very interested to see how this case unfolds though
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 4:17 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us
> <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
>
> don't forget that they then sue users, distributors and competitors
> for conspiracy to hack when you load another OS/UI on their
> commodity hardware that you own outright.
>
> Just sayin'
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:05 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
> <j...@brazoswifi.com <mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:
>
> UBNT is doing what UBNT does. They take commodity hardware and
> wrap it in a shiny box with a slick UI. ____
>
> The commodity hardware is cheap and works reliably well. Don’t
> hate on something that sells well because it is easy to use.____
>
> __ __
>
> No, they aren’t selling glass. They expect you to do that part
> on your own.____
>
> __ __
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com____
>
> __ __
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber____
>
> __ __
>
> I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs
> aren't even on our radar. They're just doing the electronics
> right? Tell me they're not in the glass game itself. Tell me God
> they're not selling tough fiber or anything like that to rot in
> the ground____
>
> __ __
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:____
>
> I can generally get a building permit to use a public
> utility ROW or the side of a street for almost free. ____
>
> Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for
> service etc. ____
>
> ____
>
> I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go. But I like the
> simplicity of AE, the fact that I can cast shade on PON
> based competitors and not having to deal with splitters. ____
>
> ____
>
> And I do PON all day long with Calix. But for a non
> regulated for profit startup, Calix is not the way to go.____
>
> However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...____
>
> ____
>
> ____
>
> *From:*Colin Stanners ____
>
> *Sent:*Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM____
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ____
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber____
>
> ____
>
> ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal
> fees, concrete pad, electrical install, cabinet, UPS,
> heating/cooling, fiber switch is probably $10,000 - 15,000
> including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not sure that it
> would be worth doing for only 30 homes.____
>
> ____
>
> PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice
> cases and require none of that support cost $60 each.____
>
> ____
>
> Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks
> pretty good when we still have tower sites with 16 customers
> on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP. And 10Gbit GPON seems to be
> coming soon... ____
>
> ____
>
> ____
>
> ____
>
> ____
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:____
>
> If you have one strand going out there, you hang a
> switch and give all 30 homes active E. ____
>
> ____
>
> Each home needs a drop. ____
>
> So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or
> an SFP. ____
>
> ____
>
> With AE you will have to power the switch but then you
> have no shared bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared
> bandwidth old fashioned GPON etc...____
>
> ____
>
> ____
>
> ____
>
> *From:*Colin Stanners ____
>
> *Sent:*Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM____
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ____
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber____
>
> ____
>
> That's the main reason, and it branches into
> upgradeability. If a new 30-house subdivision appears in
> a field a few miles from your headend, and you have a
> spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use
> 2-3 strands instead of running new 48-strand cable the
> whole way.____
>
> ____
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:53 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:____
>
> So, other than the obvious strand count advantages,
> why would you use this vs active ethernet?____
>
> ____
>
> *From:*Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] ____
>
> *Sent:*Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM____
>
> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ____
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber____
>
> ____
>
> It works fine. We have it in 2 subdivisions.
> It is brain dead simple to configure.____
>
> Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to
> configure. The ONU (cpe) can run in bridge or
> router mode. I’m not sure what the routing/NAT
> speeds are capable of but it will do 1G in bridge
> mode without breaking a sweat.____
>
> ____
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com____
>
> ____
>
> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
> *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:17 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> <Af@af.afmug.com <mailto:Af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber____
>
> ____
>
> Does anyone actually have this equipment in a
> production environment? I have a test setup, just
> haven't heard much discussion about it so I thought
> I'd check with the group.____
>
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