Thanks, hopefully this band will work well for my crews. Nice to be legal. Or legalish...
Normally for drilling and pulling fiber. Probably not over a mile. Been a while since I used 2 meter simplex but as I recall this should not be a problem. From: George Skorup Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 11:42 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies No license. 151.82, 151.88, 151.94 were taken from the old business-band color/dot system. 11.25khz FM narrow only today. 154.57 and 154.6 are allowed 20khz bandwidth, but still FM narrow for voice (not the full 25khz and FM wide at 5khz deviation). Those two are more or less for telemetry and remote control, but that's not a "rule" of the service. Stick to FM-N and 11.25k bandwidth on all 5 frequencies and nobody will care if you're not being a jackass when you key up. On 5/17/2019 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: So, as long as I use the MURS VHF frequencies, no license is needed? From: Brian Webster Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 8:23 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies The cheap HT’s will program up on those channels just fine. Watch the per channel requirements. In MURS there are I think two wideband channels and three narrow band. The radios have settings for narrow or wide. If you are going to be using these for job site specific work all over the MURS is the way to go to stay legal. Nice thing is the radios you purchased will work for both GMRS and MURS. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 12:22 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Any FCC ID on the back of the radios under the battery? Search that to see what they were certified for. You might not find anything if they're marketed to hams (saves China money on the labs and certs). In reality, who will know and who will care what model radios you're using? Just sayin' (not endorsing). I did our Part 90 601 a few years ago in about an hour and the $260 or whatever it was at the time. WQYC725 if you want to look it up. The cheap $15-20 Baofeng 888's or whatever they're called for the field guys. You just throw them away when they fall apart. The other option would be MURS. Falls under Part 95 like GMRS, but no license is required. FM-N voice only. Think of it like VHF-FM citizens band w/ 2-watts output into gain antennas. It's pretty much dead quiet on all 5 channels around me, except for some bursts of telemetry once in a while. But there's that Part 95 certified device requirement. I see businesses using the Baofengs and similar on MURS all the time, so again... who knows/cares. On 5/16/2019 8:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Can I use these cheap HTs on these frequencies? From: George Skorup Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 7:35 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Part 90 business itinerant allows you to do FM-Narrow and/or digital voice+data (including encryption) across the lower 48 for practically nothing for 10 years. There are 8 VHF and 8 UHF shared frequencies. Do the form 601 yourself and pay the FCC. No coordination required. No GMRS licensing nonsense for employees. On 5/16/2019 3:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote: On our community emergency list I think all the people with call signs use them. At least intermittently. There are a few people who don't use their call signs. Nobody asks. bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 5/16/2019 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am gonna try a pair of Baofengs and a pair of the Retevis and see how my guys like them. I got a license so that will cover family. I guess I will claim the guys are adopted if we get busted. Will probably buy them licenses as time goes on. Does anyone really use their callsigns in a legal manner on GMRS? My wife and I are used to it being hams for decades but not sure how well it will go over with the guys. I guess telling them it is a $25K and 10 years penalty might get them to do it. Seems silly. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for what it is worth. On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote: We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the repeater, but overall, not bad at all. bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in the right direction for programming and such as well. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Hanoi handi potatoe potato Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312039479427&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15843251035210015126&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1013962&hvtargid=pla-569078696569&psc=1 Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. 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