Good point about the NVR.  Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may 
sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, inside 
and outside  the house.  An NVR gives you local storage and viewing for all the 
cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing.  I guess the 
privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the cloud" 
somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and Facebook and 
Google snooping on them.

It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an 
Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital 
cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE.  But getting people to run Cat5 cable is 
sooooooooo difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire the 
house for data while it's being built.


-----Original Message-----
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Andrew Haninger
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

Here's a good thread that recently came up on /.
https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> Security cameras seem to be all the rage.  Many WiFi issues, but also I’m 
> tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the 
> customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room.  I understand when 
> they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s 
> butt walking away from the house.  But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth 
> when the customer is at home, for the data to go 
> house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house.  Or might go over cellular to the phone.
>
>
>
> Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if 
> everything stayed on their LAN.  Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, 
> black screens, etc.
>
>
>
> Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set 
> up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer 
> is away from home?  Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric 
> that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and 
> back?
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