I can absolutely tell Matt and thank you! We’re all looking forward to seeing
what’s next
Ryan Hill
Operations Manager
Amplex Internet
(419)837-5015 Ext 1047
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> On Nov 1, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>
> I see nearly everything from you guys… and do my best to listen and respond.
>
> We will for sure need actual beta testing for these things. As I said, I
> don’t have a real schedule yet, but when I do, I will reach out to a few of
> you guys (the “Lifers” 😉).
>
> Thanks to all for your continued support!
>
> Matt
>
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf
> Of Ryan Hill
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 1:05 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>
> Attention Matt!
>
> Can you confirm you’ve received the last few emails from the Cambium Lifers:)
> ?
>
> I’d like to add that it would be advantageous fort you to give the Lifers an
> opportunity to help you in the design and testing process. Real world
> deployments and installations are the best way to find out how your products
> work. Just having the engineer test is great for the initial design phase
> under ideal circumstances. Once you get closer to the final design having
> the prototypes tested under real conditions would be a good thing. We would
> really welcome being involved in that phase, and I think I speak for most
> that saw a real miss with the 450b High Gain for those exact reasons.
>
> #CambiumRocks .
>
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> On Oct 31, 2019, at 10:07 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
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> I think a 25 dBi antenna would be a standard customer install.
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> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:05:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>
> Yes....give us all the goddamn gain. There must be a vocal market segment
> that wants small, cute antennas. But, If you want the 32+ SNR for 256QAM
> then you need gain. Gain beets cuteness for anybody who's done the math.
>
> On 10/31/2019 10:02 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> Matt,
>
> The original form factor product would be fantastic. It would be even
> better if you make it so the internal unit antenna is specifically designed
> to properly illuminate a reflector dish.
>
> The original patch antenna matching to a reflector was always something of a
> kludge that worked but was not optimal. I don’t see any point in designing
> the unit with a patch antenna intended for short range use as there are
> other/better products in the lineup to serve that purpose. Having a unit
> that is optimized for the thousands of KP, Beehive, Cambium reflectors we
> have in the field would be great.
>
> Having a unit with connectors that cleanly mates into a twistport horn
> adapter would also be a useful tool in the toolbox.
>
> If there is anything that Cambium (and every other vendor) has taught us over
> the years is that you can’t have too much gain and directionality in your
> client antennas. it’s really the secret to why fixed wireless in unlicensed
> works so well. The 450b high gain that wasn’t high gain was disappointing.
> Having the option to cleanly add antenna gain again would be very welcome.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF <af@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
>
> Also, to set the record a straight(er)…
>
> The 450b Connectorized is targeted for March release. This will indeed have
> RP-SMA connectors at the top (similar to 900 MHz SM).
>
> The other one that you guys are talking about, I am calling 450b Retro. As
> Jeff mentions, I am still working up a plan for this device, and don’t have a
> release date yet. The idea is that it’ll have the latest processing power,
> the wide band support, fit into the same offset reflectors that are already
> out there, and be reasonably priced.
>
> This would provide an easy upgrade or swap of the older 430 or 450 SMs that
> are deployed already with those reflector dishes.
>
> Matt
>
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf
> Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 12:04 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>
> 450b connectorized had SMA stye connectors on top, did not look like a 900mhz
> SM, looked more like a RocketM5
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:53 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> Do you remember what the connectorized 450b looked like? SMA connectors on
> top like the 900 MHz SM? N pigtails out bottom like the old one? Twistport
> adapter?
>
> I realize the pigtails out the bottom were not optimal, but KPP was nice
> enough to build a dish with a place to mount the SM where the pigtails
> dressed just perfect. Also putting coax connectors on the top is not optimal
> from a drip loop perspective and SMA connectors are a pain to waterproof
> unless you believe in the silicone boots which aren’t conducive to third
> party or custom length coax jumpers.
>
>
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf
> Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 11:39 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>
> I asked him right after I saw you post about it.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
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>
> On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com
> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Matt told me at Wispalooza show old form factor SM is coming spring 2020.
> Also at Wispalooza show they had a new SM there that was containerized and
> triband for like $250'ish !!!
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:09 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> I thought someone posted that Matt said the old form factor was coming Q1
> 2020.
>
> Not sure that’s actually different - until I can buy it, it’s pretty much in
> “we are considering it” phase.
>
> Thing is, 5 GHz 450 SMs took a step back with the 450b, we no longer have a
> connectorized SM or one that we can use with a reflector dish, and many of us
> have encountered performance problems with the integrated antenna in the 450b
> high gain. And even if we acquire more of the EOL 450 SMs, they lack the
> CPU, triband capability, and xmt power of the 450b.
>
> Back on topic to the 450i Lite AP, we have some of the old 450 Lite APs. If
> we haven’t already applied a key to make them into Full APs, I generally
> prefer to replace them with a 450i AP. It’s just so confusing having a mix
> of 24V and 48V powering, Canopy Sync and Cambium Sync, plus the 450i has a
> more capable CPU. So you could look at that as an advantage of the Lite, you
> can upgrade the HW in the future instead of buying an upgrade key.
>
>
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf
> Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:48 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>
> To be clear, the 5GHz 450b exists. The 3GHz high gain is now slated for 1st
> qtr2020.
>
> I asked CambiumMatt about bringing back the old form factor to use with
> reflectors. That’s in the “we are considering it” phase.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>
>
> On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>
>
> 450b high gain exists now, I think what is supposed to be coming is a
> connectorized 450b and a 450b in the old form factor that takes a reflector
> dish.
>
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf
> Of Tyson Burris
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:07 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>
> The lite was announced and I believe the 450B high gain sm will be coming out.
> (actual SM)
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> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf
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> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>
> To make more money comrade.
>
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:55 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit
>
> I mean. I guess? To me that just shouts of going back to license keys.
>
> If I can buy it for X, but I can upgrade it to Y with a license key - that
> model just never made sense to me. I literally have all he hardware. There’s
> no additional cost. You’re just artificially crippling the unit.
>
> If the hardware can be sold for the price of the LITE and still make a
> profit, why is the key needed to unlock features?
>
> On Oct 29, 2019, at 11:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com
> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Don't know how I missed this at Wispalooza, just seen on streakwave's website
> there is a new 450i AP out with a 20sm limit called LITE and can be upgraded
> to full capacity with a key upgrade.
>
> Cambium C050045AL02B
> 5 GHz PMP 450i Connectorized AP FCC LITE
>
> PMP 450i Connectorized Access Point LITE
> The LITE version will function exactly as the existing PMP 450i AP but it
> will be restricted to having 20 subscribers connected. A key can be purchased
> to remove this restriction.
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> 10. And there is an integrated 90 degree sector version too.
> AWESOME
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