Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

Adam Moffett Thu, 31 Oct 2019 07:08:23 -0700

Yes....give us all the goddamn gain. There must be a vocal marketsegment that wants small, cute antennas. But, If you want the 32+ SNRfor 256QAM then you need gain. Gain beets cuteness for anybody who'sdone the math.


On 10/31/2019 10:02 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Matt,

The original form factor product would be fantastic. It would beeven better if you make it so the internal unit antenna isspecifically designed to properly illuminate a reflector dish.

The original patch antenna matching to a reflector was alwayssomething of a kludge that worked but was not optimal. I don’t seeany point in designing the unit with a patch antenna intended forshort range use as there are other/better products in the lineup toserve that purpose. Having a unit that is optimized for the thousandsof KP, Beehive, Cambium reflectors we have in the field would be great.

Having a unit with connectors that cleanly mates into a twistport hornadapter would also be a useful tool in the toolbox.

If there is anything that Cambium (and every other vendor) has taughtus over the years is that you can’t have too much gain anddirectionality in your client antennas. it’s really the secret towhy fixed wireless in unlicensed works so well. The 450b high gainthat wasn’t high gain was disappointing. Having the option tocleanly add antenna gain again would be very welcome.


Mark

On Oct 31, 2019, at 9:31 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


Also, to set the record a straight(er)…

The 450b Connectorized is targeted for March release. This willindeed have RP-SMA connectors at the top (similar to 900 MHz SM).

The other one that you guys are talking about, I am calling 450bRetro. As Jeff mentions, I am still working up a plan for thisdevice, and don’t have a release date yet. The idea is that it’llhave the latest processing power, the wide band support, fit into thesame offset reflectors that are already out there, and be reasonablypriced.

This would provide an easy upgrade or swap of the older 430 or 450SMs that are deployed already with those reflector dishes.


Matt

*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>*On Behalf Of * Kurt Fankhauser

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*Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

450b connectorized had SMA stye connectors on top, did not look likea 900mhz SM, looked more like a RocketM5

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:53 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


    Do you remember what the connectorized 450b looked like?  SMA
    connectors on top like the 900 MHz SM?  N pigtails out bottom
    like the old one?  Twistport adapter?

    I realize the pigtails out the bottom were not optimal, but KPP
    was nice enough to build a dish with a place to mount the SM
    where the pigtails dressed just perfect.  Also putting coax
    connectors on the top is not optimal from a drip loop perspective
    and SMA connectors are a pain to waterproof unless you believe in
    the silicone boots which aren’t conducive to third party or
    custom length coax jumpers.

    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
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    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
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    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

    I asked him right after I saw you post about it.

    Jeff Broadwick

    CTIconnect

    312-205-2519 Office

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        On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
        <lists.wavel...@gmail.com <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
        wrote:

        

        Matt told me at Wispalooza show old form factor SM is coming
        spring 2020. Also at Wispalooza show they had a new SM there
        that was containerized and triband for like $250'ish !!!

        On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:09 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
        <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

            I thought someone posted that Matt said the old form
            factor was coming Q1 2020.

            Not sure that’s actually different - until I can buy it,
            it’s pretty much in “we are considering it” phase.

            Thing is, 5 GHz 450 SMs took a step back with the 450b,
            we no longer have a connectorized SM or one that we can
            use with a reflector dish, and many of us have
            encountered performance problems with the integrated
            antenna in the 450b high gain.  And even if we acquire
            more of the EOL 450 SMs, they lack the CPU, triband
            capability, and xmt power of the 450b.

            Back on topic to the 450i Lite AP, we have some of the
            old 450 Lite APs.  If we haven’t already applied a key to
            make them into Full APs, I generally prefer to replace
            them with a 450i AP. It’s just so confusing having a mix
            of 24V and 48V powering, Canopy Sync and Cambium Sync,
            plus the 450i has a more capable CPU.  So you could look
            at that as an advantage of the Lite, you can upgrade the
            HW in the future instead of buying an upgrade key.

            *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
            <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jeff
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            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

            To be clear, the 5GHz 450b exists. The 3GHz high gain is
            now slated for 1st qtr2020.

            I asked CambiumMatt about bringing back the old form
            factor to use with reflectors.  That’s in the “we are
            considering it” phase.

            Jeff Broadwick

            CTIconnect

            312-205-2519 Office

            574-220-7826 Cell

            jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>

                On Oct 30, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof
                <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

                

                450b high gain exists now, I think what is supposed
                to be coming is a connectorized 450b and a 450b in
                the old form factor that takes a reflector dish.

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                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

                The lite was announced and I believe the 450B high
                gain sm will be coming out.

                (actual SM)

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                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

                To make more money comrade.

                *From:*Matt Hoppes

                *Sent:*Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:55 AM

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                *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

                I mean. I guess? To me that just shouts of going back
                to license keys.

                If I can buy it for X, but I can upgrade it to Y with
                a license key - that model just never made sense to
                me. I literally have all he hardware. There’s no
                additional cost. You’re just artificially crippling
                the unit.

                If the hardware can be sold for the price of the LITE
                and still make a profit, why is the key needed to
                unlock features?


                On Oct 29, 2019, at 11:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser
                <lists.wavel...@gmail.com
                <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

                    Don't know how I missed this at Wispalooza, just
                    seen on streakwave's website there is a new 450i
                    AP out with a 20sm limit called LITE and can be
                    upgraded to full capacity with a key upgrade.


                      Cambium C050045AL02B
                      5 GHz PMP 450i Connectorized AP FCC LITE

                    PMP 450i Connectorized Access Point LITE

                    The LITE version will function exactly as the
                    existing PMP 450i AP but it will be restricted to
                    having 20 subscribers connected. A key can be
                    purchased to remove this restriction.

                    
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                    I can see myself using alot of these! Glad it has
                    a 20 SM limit instead of 10. And there is an
                    integrated 90 degree sector version too.

                    AWESOME

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 450i LITE AP - 20 SM limit

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