You lose the filtering, but you gain 256QAM, and theoretically, a bit of a performance gain. We've mostly been using them to upgrade 1000/2000 Lite APs that are near capacity, since they don't cost much more than an upgrade license (assuming we're working on the tower anyway, obviously).
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:34 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > we arent doing the Ls because as best I can tell theyre pretty much a 2k > AP without intelligent filtering. seemed like a net loss to me > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:24 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Probably. and I suppose the reason for not supporting both, like the 1000 >> was cost. >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:18 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> With the 3000L at 29V you can power it from an SM with an Aux port. I'm >>> guessing that's the underlying reason. >>> >>> >>> On 1/23/2020 4:12 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>> >>> That must've been an early spec sheet... it also say 802.3at compliant, >>> which is also not so... but both of those things are true for the 3000. >>> >>> Yeah, 24v is nice sometimes, but it would've been a lot nicer if it just >>> worked on 22-56v, like the ePMP 1000. It's also annoying that the 3000 is >>> 48v only, and the 3000L is 24v only, which makes it more complicated if you >>> put up a 3000L and need to upgrade to a full 3000 later on... or if you >>> want to change a 1000 that's running on 48v for a 3000L. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:33 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think I would have noticed it.....but I'll look at it tomorrow when I >>>> get to the office. I will send a pic as proof of the existence or >>>> nonexistence of an SFP on the actual 3000L. Currently it is Schrodinger's >>>> SFP. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/22/2020 9:18 PM, Josh Baird wrote: >>>> >>>> Where? It says it has a 100/1000BaseT ethernet interface: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/SS_ePMP_3000L_11182019.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> Erm - it also says it only accepts 29V PoE. The ePMP 3000 (non-L) >>>> supports 56V. Did they really make the ePMP3kL only support 24-29V? If >>>> so, that is pretty dumb. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 9:13 PM Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Spec sheet says 3000L has an sfp. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:24 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The 3000 has an SFP, the 3000L does not. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 5:54 PM Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It’s got an sfp in it >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 1:57 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Copper. 3000L doesn't have fiber. >>>>>>>> On 1/22/2020 4:55 PM, Nate Burke wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you seeing Ethernet problems with fiber connections as well, or >>>>>>>> just the copper? We put up an EPMP 3000 early last year. It had >>>>>>>> Ethernet >>>>>>>> problems for about the first 3 or 4 weeks of putting it up, but has >>>>>>>> seemed >>>>>>>> fine since then. This was on Copper connection. I was just having >>>>>>>> Ethernet problems in general, 1g, 100m, 10m. It would instantly >>>>>>>> negotiate >>>>>>>> the speed, but have lots of packet loss. I attributed it to corrosion >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the Cat5 pins that summer temperature fluctuations cleared up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/22/2020 2:45 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It was 1 link at 0.9 mile on a +30 EIRP DFS band. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just a test. Test failed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/22/2020 3:41 PM, Ryan Ray wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Technically you wouldn't see any performance gains over a 2000 >>>>>>>> unless you're hitting 256qam. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What's the distance of the links? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:19 AM Matt Hoppes < >>>>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No but Chris and I had a theory it was hot heat related... that >>>>>>>>> kills >>>>>>>>> that theory. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/22/20 1:17 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>>>>> > Binghamton, NY just north of you. Usually in the 30's this time >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> > year, but it's been more like in the teens for several days. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Did you see a temperature correlation? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On 1/22/2020 12:49 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> I purchased a bunch of ePMP3000 (not L) and have honestly had >>>>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>>>> >> but issues with them since trying to deploy... including >>>>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>>>> >> instances at multiple sites with the inability to get Gig to >>>>>>>>> link... >>>>>>>>> >> but at the office it's fine... swap to a Ubiquiti AC radio and >>>>>>>>> it's a >>>>>>>>> >> Gig on the tower. >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Out of curiosity what temperature are you at wherever you are >>>>>>>>> right now? >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> On 1/22/20 12:46 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>> On the first unit we tried yeah. GigE worked in the office, >>>>>>>>> but on >>>>>>>>> >>> the tower it would only run at 100BaseT. Our guys fought with >>>>>>>>> it for >>>>>>>>> >>> a couple of days. Brought it back to the office and it did a >>>>>>>>> gig in >>>>>>>>> >>> the office no problem. I assume it's related to the cable >>>>>>>>> length, >>>>>>>>> >>> but maybe some other factor matters. The switch at the tower >>>>>>>>> was a >>>>>>>>> >>> Mikrotik CRS 2xx of some type. Not sure if that matters. >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> In any case, the second unit we plugged in at the tower went >>>>>>>>> right to >>>>>>>>> >>> a gig no problem.....except that one died today after being in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>> air for 4 days. >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Maybe I just rolled snake eyes or something, but it has me >>>>>>>>> wondering >>>>>>>>> >>> about reliability. >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> The price and feature set is right so I had big plans for >>>>>>>>> these. I >>>>>>>>> >>> probably won't try them again unless something changes. >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> -Adam >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> On 1/22/2020 12:39 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>> WAIT WAIT WAIT.... You ALSO are having issues linking at >>>>>>>>> Gigabit? >>>>>>>>> >>>> That's interesting, because myself and someone else are also >>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>> >>>> this issue and Cambium has sworn until they are blue in the >>>>>>>>> face >>>>>>>>> >>>> there is no issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> On 1/22/20 11:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>> So I tried an ePMP 3000L. >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> Real world performance is ultimately about the same as ePMP >>>>>>>>> 2000. >>>>>>>>> >>>>> QoS doesn't work properly. SM was re registering with a >>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>> >>>>> minimal amount of noise. I had 27 DL SNR and 17 UL SNR on a >>>>>>>>> DFS >>>>>>>>> >>>>> band......it's not going to get a lot better than that where >>>>>>>>> I am. >>>>>>>>> >>>>> Not in real life anyway. >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> First AP wouldn't link at 1Gig on a long cable (but would on >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> >>>>> short cable). Tried a second AP and that one worked at >>>>>>>>> 1Gig, but >>>>>>>>> >>>>> then died 4 days later. >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> I got a lot of mileage out of the ePMP 2000 and the PMP450, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> >>>>> this new product does not currently impress. 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