I guess it depends on if you have to put on a battery backed power supply too.
From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest
Last time I checked the 844E + Calix ONT was actually cheaper than the 844G.
On Friday, January 24, 2020, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
Hard disagree. The 844G is *CHEAP* compared to ONT+WiFi Router in terms of
hardware. Having one box/troubleshoot point is a nice cost savings, too.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:31 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
There's no way Calix will get a dime from me. Everything is so expensive
compared to alternatives.
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From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 12:29:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google/Nest WiFi speedtest
What does Calix get you for on the management? I've been looking into some
options for managed routers, and I like the 844E, but Calix is pretty proud of
their management platform and it just doesn't make a lot of sense for the
number of managed routers we would be deploying right now.
I'm wondering if anyone out there has any experience with Ubiquiti's Dream
Machine (unfortunate name, since Sony has been using it for a couple of
decades). At least Ubiquiti has a management platform that I don't need to
sacrifice my firstborn for.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:47 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:
Guys,
Start heavily pushing managed routers. We're all Calix with 804mesh and
we include the first router free in all our plans.
Makes a huge difference.
Google wifi is bad because there's no way to manually set the 5ghz
channel away from our radio. We have one customer we told this and that their
service will stink until they switch to our router or get a different mesh
system like orbi where you can still set the channel manually.
We also do not support any speedtest except speedtest.net and selecting
one server we like. Also they have to be hardwired to the POE or we won't
respond to their tests. This eliminates much of the back and forth wifi
speedtests.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 11:34 AM Matt Hoppes
<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
I've had a slew of wifi related calls this week. Plug in, no issue.
WiFi -- interference - customer needs to get a dual band router, or
it's
so bad it's just not fixable.
I really just want to tell folks "WiFi is not supported on our service,
use at your own risk"... but of course, I can't do that.
On 1/23/20 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Anybody know if the speedtest built into the Google and Nest WiFi
mesh
> routers use the same M-Lab speedtest as the one a Google search sends
> you to? Their FAQ seems to indicate it is different and tests to
> Youtube servers.
>
> Apparently they have a feature where customers can set it up to
> periodically test their speed, and now I have customers calling in to
> report that their router says they aren’t getting the speed they’re
> paying for. We burn a bunch of time checking all the stats,
including
> Preseem which shows no problems at all and actual traffic
consistently
> to the speed plan they’re on. When asked what they were trying to do
> that was slow or when they ran the speedtest, they can’t cite any
> problems and the speedtests were done days ago and they are just
> reviewing the Google report.
>
> One guy said the Google report indicated his dish moved in a
windstorm
> so we needed to come out and fix it. We have all sorts of graphs on
his
> signal, SNR, etc. and his dish had not moved. We had however moved
this
> tower onto Preseem for bandwidth management around that time.
Everyone
> else is seeing better performance as a result, video streaming,
gaming
> and web browsing now play nice together. I’m wondering if somehow
the
> Google speedtest doesn’t like the Preseem algorithms (FQ-CODEL +
AQM),
> or if their speedtest is just flakey.
>
> I don’t have a Google or Nest WiFi to test with. We have a whole
list
> of other reasons why we hate them. Generally we tell customers not
to
> buy them unless they are on a 3.65 GHz AP, but customers like to say
> screw you and then still expect you to be responsible for their bad
> decisions. (Like the customers who select the cheap plan despite
being
> told it is too slow to watch streaming video, and then call to
complain
> about streaming video.)
>
> Other reasons we hate them:
>
> - no dedicated backhaul channel, compared to (for example) Netgear
Orbi
>
> - only 1 or 2 Ethernet ports
>
> - requires Google account and app
>
> - requires cloud
>
> - uses Google DNS by default
>
> - tell me they’re not doing data mining
>
> - puck and point terminology is goofy, reminiscent of Apple and their
> airports and time capsules
>
>
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