Haha, I’m good thanks. Was going to say we have a shit ton of it that you’re welcome to.
You are finding the 450i with CBRS acceptable for some of the nLOS stuff? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > mostly 320, you need some? i got the 320s, even have 4 NIB APs ill let you > have cheap lol > >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:13 PM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: >> What are you replacing? PMP320? >> >>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> we are taking the power hit on the 450i for most of our APs for the >>> pricebreak. we have 20 some APs to replace in the next month or so, so that >>> kind of forces that. Im looking forward to there we have the Medusas along >>> with the Is to see what the performance differences are >>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:58 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >>>> Both 450i and 450m can run in CBRS. Only the Medusa can go to high power. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Jason McKemie >>>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What APs are you using 450M, or 450i as well? I'm wondering if the 450i >>>>> can do the same power output. >>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >>>>>> Not too many. >>>>>> >>>>>> A few bugs in the beta code for the AP’s, nothing really a show stopper. >>>>>> SM upload rate limit when in NAT mode appears to be broken, but works >>>>>> properly in bridge mode. We are seeing AP’s rebooting somewhat >>>>>> randomly on the beta code when NOT running in CBRS - i.e. they have the >>>>>> beta code loaded but are not switched to CBRS operation yet. I don’t >>>>>> think we have seen any crash reboots on the AP’s with beta code that ARE >>>>>> running in CBRS mode though. >>>>>> >>>>>> Grants / SAS / CNMaestro don’t seem to have many issues. Things are >>>>>> still a bit klunky and having to deal with CPAS more often that I would >>>>>> expect is a nuisance but it’s functional. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you're running this CBRS with the open spectrum, right? Have you >>>>>>> seen any issues in the 2 weeks? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:45 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> 30Mhz at +49dBm versus 20Mhz at +40dBm. Some of the improvement in >>>>>>>> airtime obviously comes from the wider channel size but the bigger >>>>>>>> change was the higher power and quieter spectrum moving everyone into >>>>>>>> 6x/8x modulation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What's the actual TX power in that case before and after? I thought >>>>>>>>> the number I had heard for CBRS was 47db EIRP in a 20mhz channel... >>>>>>>>> although I have no idea where that number came from, so it could very >>>>>>>>> well be wrong . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:26 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Way more than 5db, 10dB is more realistic. This is a typical >>>>>>>>>> customer off a 450m 3.65 CBRS AP running at full power: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <PastedGraphic-1.png> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Even more interesting: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <PastedGraphic-2.png> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This shows frame utilization of the 450m before and after the switch >>>>>>>>>> to CBRS. The higher power and cleaner spectrum greatly increased >>>>>>>>>> the modulation of the customers resulting in greatly reduced airtime >>>>>>>>>> utilization. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's a 5-6db increase, if I remember correctly, so that could >>>>>>>>>>> certainly be enough to make the difference in a lot of cases. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course there's also the fact that half of the people running >>>>>>>>>>> Baicells radios with sectors are probably already running >>>>>>>>>>> (illegally) at that power level anyway... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:50 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Is the CBRS power that much higher where a 450 at CBRS power makes >>>>>>>>>>>> up for the lack of nLOS capability as compared to LTE on NN? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously LTE at CBRS power would be that much better, but maybe >>>>>>>>>>>> it's a good fit where people need just a little more nLOS >>>>>>>>>>>> capability than 450 provides and the extra power gets that for >>>>>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Matt Mangriotis via AF" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: "Matt Mangriotis" <matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 3:59:25 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I completely understand your skepticism Ken. However, Cambium did >>>>>>>>>>>> design the 3 GHz 450m with every intention of being able to >>>>>>>>>>>> support a transition to LTE (specifically, as a RRH with >>>>>>>>>>>> cnRanger). The intent is for this device to be a fully capable 8x8 >>>>>>>>>>>> MU-MIMO. Yes, you’ve got that right though, you’ll need new CPE >>>>>>>>>>>> devices and a BBU for each sector. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We don’t have a target date when this will be developed yet… right >>>>>>>>>>>> now, we’re focused on getting the cnRanger CBRS 2x2 RRH and High >>>>>>>>>>>> Gain Cat 6 CPE devices out in August! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> With respect to NLOS coverage, I will agree that 450 is not quite >>>>>>>>>>>> on par with some of the things that LTE brings to the table >>>>>>>>>>>> (regarding range and the ability to maintain the downlink). >>>>>>>>>>>> However, with the increased power limits of CBRS, the 450m does an >>>>>>>>>>>> admirable job. In fact, in comparing equipment cost and >>>>>>>>>>>> performance, I would suggest that the 450 platform outperforms >>>>>>>>>>>> anything out there. That is, it’s less expensive to get bandwidth >>>>>>>>>>>> where it needs to be (at a higher rate, and to more customers). If >>>>>>>>>>>> the customer density can support the cost of cnMedusa, you’re >>>>>>>>>>>> going to be better off from total cost of ownership (both CapEx >>>>>>>>>>>> and OpEx) perspective. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The new 3GHz 450b High Gain has 29 dBm Tx Pwr, and a 20 dBi dish >>>>>>>>>>>> integrated antenna… this is pretty impressive for CBRS CPE >>>>>>>>>>>> equipment (most of the high gain/high power LTE stuff I see is >>>>>>>>>>>> only going to be 23 dBm Tx, plus 15 dBi antenna). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are several customers out there that have done these >>>>>>>>>>>> comparisons… hopefully, they can chime in. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 7:06 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You should probably talk to someone at Cambium, unless someone >>>>>>>>>>>> here has already done that. There was talk 1-2 years ago about >>>>>>>>>>>> 450m is software defined so maybe they could use it as a remote >>>>>>>>>>>> radio head with their cnRanger LTE BaseBand Unit (BBU). It has >>>>>>>>>>>> been pretty quiet since then, but I haven’t been able to make it >>>>>>>>>>>> to the shows. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Without an update directly from the horse’s mouth like Matt at >>>>>>>>>>>> Cambium, or some kind of announcement, I wouldn’t hold my breath. >>>>>>>>>>>> Back in 2018 it was in the realm of “it would be nice”. That’s >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty tentative. Plus you’d still have to buy the BBU and new >>>>>>>>>>>> CPE, so it doesn’t sound like a huge savings anyway, still 2/3 of >>>>>>>>>>>> a forklift upgrade. I mean, if it turned out that the 3 GHz >>>>>>>>>>>> cnRanger RRH was literally a 450m, that would probably be the best >>>>>>>>>>>> case, but how likely do you think that is? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is just my personal speculation, if it’s an important part of >>>>>>>>>>>> a decision you’re making now, you probably need to get hold of >>>>>>>>>>>> your Cambium regional sales manager, or the 450 or cnRanger >>>>>>>>>>>> product manager. If you’re going to WISPAmerica, you can probably >>>>>>>>>>>> do it there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jason McKemie >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 6:03 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So the 450M is supposed to be LTE upgradable? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger >>>>>>>>>>>> potentially with a fiber run and a software update >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at >>>>>>>>>>>> everything except NLOS performance. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ....Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be >>>>>>>>>>>> tempted to ignore all of the other features of the 450. I do >>>>>>>>>>>> understand that tradeoff because I've had to make it myself. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison. All but one >>>>>>>>>>>> of the 450 APs are already removed from our network. I am just >>>>>>>>>>>> trying to determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once >>>>>>>>>>>> they roll it out, or if it will require a completely different SM. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason >>>>>>>>>>>> McKemie >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson >>>>>>>>>>>> <dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use >>>>>>>>>>>> the existing 450SM's? Trying to determine if I should keep our >>>>>>>>>>>> 450SM's or just go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary >>>>>>>>>>>> market distributors along with our 450 AP's. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> David Williamson >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> > 3.5 isn’t available yet. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased. >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > Jeff Broadwick >>>>>>>>>>>> > CTIconnect >>>>>>>>>>>> > 312-205-2519 Office >>>>>>>>>>>> > 574-220-7826 Cell >>>>>>>>>>>> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis >>>>>>>>>>>> >> <acd...@mail.harvard.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly >>>>>>>>>>>> >> dissatisfied with my current manufacturer and was wondering if >>>>>>>>>>>> >> anyone had experience using/demoing their product line. 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