is that the packetflux interface? On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 4:05 PM George Skorup <gsko...@surfbroadband.com> wrote:
> Better put on your rectifier pants > [image: image.png] > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:33 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> There is also the power consumption issue with the 3 GHz 450m. Spec >> sheet says 140W typical. That’s a lot, 560 watts for 4 sectors. >> Especially at sites where I only have a 360 watt power supply and 1000 >> watt-hours of batteries. The 5 GHz 450m I think is less than half the >> power consumption. Presumably the difference is the power amps. >> >> >> >> Under Part 90 it would have been even more painful to deploy Medusas, >> since we couldn’t even use the higher xmt power. All my 3 GHz 450 APs were >> deployed over a year ago. With all the uncertainty over where CBRS was >> going, whether the mobile guys would totally take it away from us, and >> whether we would have to do a forklift upgrade of the Cambium equipment, we >> really dialed back deployment the past 1-2 years. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2020 3:13 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >> >> >> >> What are you replacing? PMP320? >> >> >> >> On Feb 26, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> we are taking the power hit on the 450i for most of our APs for the >> pricebreak. we have 20 some APs to replace in the next month or so, so that >> kind of forces that. Im looking forward to there we have the Medusas along >> with the Is to see what the performance differences are >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:58 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >> >> Both 450i and 450m can run in CBRS. Only the Medusa can go to high >> power. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> What APs are you using 450M, or 450i as well? I'm wondering if the 450i >> can do the same power output. >> >> On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >> >> Not too many. >> >> >> >> A few bugs in the beta code for the AP’s, nothing really a show stopper. >> SM upload rate limit when in NAT mode appears to be broken, but works >> properly in bridge mode. We are seeing AP’s rebooting somewhat randomly >> on the beta code when NOT running in CBRS - i.e. they have the beta code >> loaded but are not switched to CBRS operation yet. I don’t think we have >> seen any crash reboots on the AP’s with beta code that ARE running in CBRS >> mode though. >> >> >> >> Grants / SAS / CNMaestro don’t seem to have many issues. Things are >> still a bit klunky and having to deal with CPAS more often that I would >> expect is a nuisance but it’s functional. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Feb 26, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> So you're running this CBRS with the open spectrum, right? Have you seen >> any issues in the 2 weeks? >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >> Suite 1337 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >> Troy, OH 45373 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:45 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >> >> 30Mhz at +49dBm versus 20Mhz at +40dBm. Some of the improvement in >> airtime obviously comes from the wider channel size but the bigger change >> was the higher power and quieter spectrum moving everyone into 6x/8x >> modulation. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> What's the actual TX power in that case before and after? I thought the >> number I had heard for CBRS was 47db EIRP in a 20mhz channel... although I >> have no idea where that number came from, so it could very well be wrong . >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:26 AM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >> >> Way more than 5db, 10dB is more realistic. This is a typical customer >> off a 450m 3.65 CBRS AP running at full power: >> >> >> >> <PastedGraphic-1.png> >> >> >> >> Even more interesting: >> >> >> >> <PastedGraphic-2.png> >> >> >> >> This shows frame utilization of the 450m before and after the switch to >> CBRS. The higher power and cleaner spectrum greatly increased the >> modulation of the customers resulting in greatly reduced airtime >> utilization. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> It's a 5-6db increase, if I remember correctly, so that could certainly >> be enough to make the difference in a lot of cases. >> >> >> >> Of course there's also the fact that half of the people running Baicells >> radios with sectors are probably already running (illegally) at that power >> level anyway... >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:50 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> Is the CBRS power that much higher where a 450 at CBRS power makes up for >> the lack of nLOS capability as compared to LTE on NN? >> >> >> >> Obviously LTE at CBRS power would be that much better, but maybe it's a >> good fit where people need just a little more nLOS capability than 450 >> provides and the extra power gets that for them. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Matt Mangriotis via AF" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Cc: *"Matt Mangriotis" <matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 25, 2020 3:59:25 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium LTE >> >> I completely understand your skepticism Ken. However, Cambium did design >> the 3 GHz 450m with every intention of being able to support a transition >> to LTE (specifically, as a RRH with cnRanger). The intent is for this >> device to be a fully capable 8x8 MU-MIMO. Yes, you’ve got that right >> though, you’ll need new CPE devices and a BBU for each sector. >> >> >> >> We don’t have a target date when this will be developed yet… right now, >> we’re focused on getting the cnRanger CBRS 2x2 RRH and High Gain Cat 6 CPE >> devices out in August! >> >> >> >> With respect to NLOS coverage, I will agree that 450 is not quite on par >> with some of the things that LTE brings to the table (regarding range and >> the ability to maintain the downlink). However, with the increased power >> limits of CBRS, the 450m does an admirable job. In fact, in comparing >> equipment cost and performance, I would suggest that the 450 platform >> outperforms anything out there. That is, it’s less expensive to get >> bandwidth where it needs to be (at a higher rate, and to more customers). >> If the customer density can support the cost of cnMedusa, you’re going to >> be better off from total cost of ownership (both CapEx and OpEx) >> perspective. >> >> >> >> The new 3GHz 450b High Gain has 29 dBm Tx Pwr, and a 20 dBi dish >> integrated antenna… this is pretty impressive for CBRS CPE equipment (most >> of the high gain/high power LTE stuff I see is only going to be 23 dBm Tx, >> plus 15 dBi antenna). >> >> >> >> There are several customers out there that have done these comparisons… >> hopefully, they can chime in. >> >> >> >> Matt >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 7:06 PM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >> >> >> >> You should probably talk to someone at Cambium, unless someone here has >> already done that. There was talk 1-2 years ago about 450m is software >> defined so maybe they could use it as a remote radio head with their >> cnRanger LTE BaseBand Unit (BBU). It has been pretty quiet since then, but >> I haven’t been able to make it to the shows. >> >> >> >> Without an update directly from the horse’s mouth like Matt at Cambium, >> or some kind of announcement, I wouldn’t hold my breath. Back in 2018 it >> was in the realm of “it would be nice”. That’s pretty tentative. Plus >> you’d still have to buy the BBU and new CPE, so it doesn’t sound like a >> huge savings anyway, still 2/3 of a forklift upgrade. I mean, if it turned >> out that the 3 GHz cnRanger RRH was literally a 450m, that would probably >> be the best case, but how likely do you think that is? >> >> >> >> This is just my personal speculation, if it’s an important part of a >> decision you’re making now, you probably need to get hold of your Cambium >> regional sales manager, or the 450 or cnRanger product manager. If you’re >> going to WISPAmerica, you can probably do it there. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie >> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 6:03 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >> >> >> >> So the 450M is supposed to be LTE upgradable? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Something aboit the medusa top can be used with cnranger potentially with >> a fiber run and a software update >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 3:38 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> In my opinion, 450 is better than Baicells or Telrad LTE at everything >> except NLOS performance. >> >> ....Except that NLOS performance is so useful that one can be tempted to >> ignore all of the other features of the 450. I do understand that tradeoff >> because I've had to make it myself. >> >> >> >> On 2/24/2020 4:30 PM, David Williamson wrote: >> >> 450 3.65Ghz vs. Baicells 3.65Ghz LTE = no comparison. All but one of the >> 450 APs are already removed from our network. I am just trying to >> determine if the SMs will be usable on Cambium LTE once they roll it out, >> or if it will require a completely different SM. >> >> >> David >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie >> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 4:28 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >> >> >> >> Why are you getting rid of 3.65 Cambium in favor of LTE? >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2020, David Williamson < >> dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com> wrote: >> >> Will the Cambium 3.65 LTE have a completely new SM or will it use the >> existing 450SM's? Trying to determine if I should keep our 450SM's or just >> go ahead and sell them to one of our secondary market distributors along >> with our 450 AP's. >> >> Thanks! >> >> David Williamson >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett >> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 1:57 PM >> To: af@af.afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE >> >> I think I heard next quarter for the 3.5. >> >> On 2/24/2020 1:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: >> > 3.5 isn’t available yet. >> > >> > I believe that 2.5 can be purchased. >> > >> > Jeff Broadwick >> > CTIconnect >> > 312-205-2519 Office >> > 574-220-7826 Cell >> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com >> > >> >> On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Avatar Davis <acd...@mail.harvard.edu> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Does anyone have experience with Cambium LTE? I am highly >> dissatisfied with my current manufacturer and was wondering if anyone had >> experience using/demoing their product line. 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