I like this. I hope they allow it unlike the facility in california theyre protesting the use of
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 9:35 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > Interesting blog of what they’re doing in the Seattle area. I found it > interesting they’re buying a motel for quarantine patients. > > > > https://www.kuow.org/stories/live-blog-coronavirus-updates-in-seattle-area > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:03 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > > > > Is an rfp for 500 million masks over 18 months apparently. This is to > insure production numbers stay up. Would seem since this is for global > response that maybe it would be better served this bill be footed by a > global partnership like the UN. The UN wont pay retail, we will pay 10 > bucks a mask when its all said and done. > > Not sure why this wasnt done after the last "pandemic" killed 12000 > americans... wait, its because (as much as i hate to admit it) the prior > administration made a fiscally responsible decision. 300 million, 30 > million 10 packs. Storage alone would be a nightmare. > > This is exactly the same scenario i ran across managing supplies in my EMS > days. We had a wreck on the highway, car spun out, hit one guard rail, > punctured the fuel tank, engulfed the car, struck the next guard rail and > the windows broke out. Super heated fueal air mix drafted the interior, all > 4 occupants 80 plus percent 3rd degree burns. People were dumping water on > the burns, bottled water, everyhing they had. The bacteria from doing that > alone would have killed them, if the hypothermia and dehydration didnt. My > guy got a saline wrap and taken to a higher level of care. He went out in > the ER and never made it to the burn unit. > > After the fact everybody was demanding we dedicated an entire compartment > on each rig to extra water for the next mass casualty burn. > > A. There is limited real estate in an ambulance. You carry what youre most > likely to use, they wanted to take out the road flares and body bags. Those > are mandated. > > B. Irrigation in the field is contraindicated. Introduction of bacteria, > dehydration, and hypothermia. You also will shut down their kidneys. > > C. Everything expires, including sterile water and saline. This means more > backstock storage. > > So i went to the state burn director to get the permission to use water > gel, it comes in packs the size of a hand warmer. Then took that to IDPH > and filled the paperwork for approval in the state for its use. Thats why > its in illininois allowed use list. > > Slapback responses to issues that rarely happen that consist of > unreasonable policy with burdensome inventory management and innappropriate > reaponse are never a good idea. Note the surgeon general announcement not > to buy n95 masks since theyre ineeffective. > > > > People need to first calm their tits. Thats job 1. Then, reasonable people > need to sit down and address what is most likely to be a cost effective > and reasonable mechanism for preparedness (300 million masks is not it). > > > > You have emergency reaponders, PPE for them, yes. Does that start in a > federal warehouse, maybe. DOT and state departments of health design or > repurpose existing health product delivery systems down to regional EMS > systems. Individual facilities and responder services fill aquisitions for > replenishment and backstock. The global inventory gets rotated down. More > pork, but maybe feasible, still doesnt do much. What about the atropine > shortages when the nerve agents were gonna kill us all? It expired out and > was disposed of. > > So we are also going to subsidize 3m for this? Its not a one time > purchase. How did that work out for dairy farmers? > > None of this needs to be addressed until after the emergent threat is > over, or you end up making emotion based decisions. Like paying higher than > retail for 300 million masks to artificially inflate a producers production > demand and stock value. > > Instead of growing the machine for an inefficient solution, why not put > all that dough into treatment preparedness. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:19 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < > li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > > I'm just shocked they don't have a strategic stockpile of at least a few > million. Buy some with a long shelf life, and rotate them out into the > VA system every year, or do something similar. > > > > Heck, if you just ensured the VA system had what they needed times the > shelf life minus a few months, then when the crap hit the fan you'd have > enough for 90 days of emergency, which you'd then need to replenish. > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:08 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at all > times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let alone > cycle it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> wrote: > > No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared! > > > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > > > > The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont work. > Thats an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger percentage of the > population, half the people you see in them have a gap by their noses, > which means theyre trapping the virus inside the mask. and if youre not > going to shave, dont even bother. Same reason firemen have mustaches and > not beards > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote: > > Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic. > > > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > > > > I think this topic has \lent > > but anybody watching this: > > Market Summary > <https://www.google.com/search?q=finance&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS887US887&oq=dow+jo&aqs=chrome.0.35i39j69i57j0l6.3975j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPQeMSozC3w8sc9YSmpSWtOXmMU4RJyy8xLzEtO9UnMS8nMSw9ITE_lAQCCiJIYKAAAAA&tbm=fin&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQmZTAovznAhUTCjQIHfucDiAQ6M8CMAB6BAhAEAI&sxsrf=ALeKk02NB20xnoAVtEGZ3O3rXmLIN6CAsA:1583168566404> > > Dow Jones Industrial Average > > INDEXDJX: .DJI > > Follow > > 26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%) > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > It does seem like it would please some of them. > > But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right? > > > > *From:* Adam Moffett > > *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > > > > Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic > outcome. > > > > On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it > would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. > > how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like > chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in > nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting > people in a quarantine have the choice? > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: > > Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS! It is insulting and > pretty disgusting. Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list. > It doesn't belong here. > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if > this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having > people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. > > > > If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current > executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats > since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate. > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > Brilliant! > > > > Maybe send them via cruise ship. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > > > > We could just send anyone with this bug to China. Problem solved. > > > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > > *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM > > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > > > > Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard the term > “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US healthcare > industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero > empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s > hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where > outbreaks happen. The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach > to quickly creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug > out! > > > > I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first > page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse > because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. > With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting > all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This > appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 > firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to > that facility. > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > > > > Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough > patients > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 > before eating an old baguette! > > If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end. > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s > dinner. Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes. Probably the only > thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are > the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end. Who > cares about Spam and Vienna sausages. > > > > *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > > > > You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. Some part > of you is rooting for it. > > Just a hypothesis. > > > > On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most > of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable > of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we > have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood > why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like > devout christians worying about end times and rapture. > > > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. He is very alt > right too. He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the > same place at the same time. He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com> > wrote: > > On a side note. Thanks for letting me rant and rave here. Can't do it at > home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. Chuck, I > know you are saving me a few $ in therapy. So, Thank You. > > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > ------ > > Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote: > > OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after > all), but sounds kind of science-y. > > The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six > weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this > weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through > community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with > hundreds of infections likely in the state. > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > > Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing. I have not seen news reports > anything close to “we are all going to die”. > > And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs at all of people buying > up all the Lysol and Purell. I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of > foaming hand soap we like, but the shelf was full. News reports have said > wash your hands and that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I don’t > think that’s doomsday advice. > > I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all crazy there (as usual). > Actually I have to admit that I recently discovered the steaks from Walmart > are actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson Fresh Meats. > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka > Technologies > *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu > > There are only a few things we know for sure. > > 1. It is already in the US > 2. More people in the US will get it > 3. More people in the US will die. > > Anything other than this is pure speculation at this point. We don't know > anything about this virus. Most everything I hear or read about this virus > starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE". But if you > bother to listen or read the article, it always has "may" or "some > experts". The current official incubation period is 2-14 days, but hey > lets just report 14 days and base all our models on this and report it as > the most likely scenario. We don't know how long it lives on surfaces. We > don't know how it reacts to UV light. We don't know how it will do in > warm/humid conditions. > > My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's), This virus has been in the > states before the first reported case. People have had it and recovered > thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone exposed is going to get it. Not > everyone who gets it is going to need to be hospitalized. Not everyone who > gets hospitalized will die. > > The media once again is doing us a huge dis-service. They are hyping this > thing way out of proportion. Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every can of > Lysol or Lysol type of product was gone. Every package of disinfectant > wipes were gone. Every bottle of any sized hand sanitizer, gone. Crazy. > The closest reported "maybe" case is over 1300 miles away. God forbid we > get a reported case in Florida, what will happen then? Going to start > burning and looting? > > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > ------ > > Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote: > > I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV or any podcasts or blogs. I > do pay attention to as much scientifically-based information I can find > though. > This is a pretty good synopsis on our current knowledge without any spin: > > https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Nazis are socialists. Bernie is a socialist. Therefore Bernie is a > Nazi. So the Internet says. > > *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock) > > thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis last time... russia is > in asia, so russians are asians. Taking them out of the running too.... > Weve said too much > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Nazis also hate Communists. It all fits. > > On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously genetically > designed to target Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections are asians. > Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a > majority of the population so they can initiate another run at global > domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend, carols husband > Brad told her that he heard that this is what brexit was all about. Germany > and Great Britian are forming an alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there > is a shadow government of guess what... Nazis. > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus? > > On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > > I'm waiting for Godwin... > > > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a > >> "conspiracy". > >> > >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the > >> whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the interim > >> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch > >> onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they > >> won't let go of them. > >> > >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong > >> > >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war > >> > >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I > >> mean that one's obviously a joke.....right?) > >> > >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers. > >> > >> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus. Really? Or > >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all > >> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time > >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true. > >> > >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote: > >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic. > >>> > >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here. > >>> > >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual > >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. 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