This is not good news:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:56 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> Wow, that is sad. Really brings the whole situation home.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 7:12 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
> This is one I didn't expect. My nephew's father just came back from a
> cruise and he's now in a hospital in Sacramento. We've been told he has
> COVID-19, and he is not expected to survive. He is in his mid 70s.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 3/2/2020 9:56 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> > Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to prevent
> > you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in public. If
> you
> > want to get the R0 (R naught) below two and get ahead of this you
> _must_
> > stop people from passing. Part of the reason not to touch is also to
> > keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a pretty good
> body
> > of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic and 1-2
> days
> > on everything else. YES UV helps but this is a much tougher little
> bugger
> > than the common flu..
> >
> > On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if
> you
> >> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't
> >> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >>
> >> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> >>> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
> >>>
> >>> Uhh hello? The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have
> a
> >>> 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event? What the
> >>> heck?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Steven Kenney
> >>> Network Operations Manager
> >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> >>> http://www.wavedirect.net
> >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> >>> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
> >>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>
> >>> Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard the
> term
> >>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US
> >>> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines,
> >>> aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
> >>> capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more
> >>> facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The Chinese weren’t
> stupid
> >>> with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital.
> >>> Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out!
> >>>
> >>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
> first
> >>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is
> worse
> >>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
> >>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
> >>> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get
> >>> quarantined. This appears to be happening with that nursing home in
> >>> Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a
> >>> precaution because they had been to that facility.
> >>>
> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>
> >>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
> >>> enough patients
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
> >>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
> >>>
> >>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
> >>> the end.
> >>>
> >>> bp
> >>>
> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
> >>> tonight’s dinner. Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
> >>> baguettes. Probably the only thing in their pantry is
> >>> cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end times,
> >>> they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end. Who
> >>> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
> >>>
> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
> >>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>
> >>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
> >>> preparation. Some part of you is rooting for it.
> >>>
> >>> Just a hypothesis.
> >>>
> >>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>>
> >>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
> >>> most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
> >>> minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal
> >>> tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have
> >>> the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
> >>> understood why people on the right get very nervous about
> >>> these things. a lot like devout christians worying about
> >>> end times and rapture.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
> >>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
> >>> guys. He is very alt right too. He might be Alex
> >>> Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place
> >>> at the same time. He is certain Kung flu is gonna get
> >>> us all.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
> >>> Technologies <m...@mailmt.com
> >>> <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On a side note. Thanks for letting me rant and
> >>> rave here. Can't do it at home, wife just rolls
> >>> eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. Chuck, I
> >>> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy. So,
> >>> Thank You.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >>>
> >>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> >>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>
> >>>
> >>> ------
> >>>
> >>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from
> >>> Washington Post after all), but sounds kind of
> >>> science-y.
> >>>
> >>> The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading
> >>> undetected for about six weeks in Washington
> >>> state, where the first U.S. death was reported
> >>> this weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the
> >>> cases are linked through community transmission
> >>> and that this has been going on for weeks, with
> >>> hundreds of infections likely in the state.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
> >>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
> >>> *Ken Hohhof
> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
> >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>
> >>> Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing. I
> >>> have not seen news reports anything close to “we
> >>> are all going to die”.
> >>>
> >>> And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs
> >>> at all of people buying up all the Lysol and
> >>> Purell. I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of
> >>> foaming hand soap we like, but the shelf was
> >>> full. News reports have said wash your hands and
> >>> that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I
> >>> don’t think that’s doomsday advice.
> >>>
> >>> I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all
> >>> crazy there (as usual). Actually I have to admit
> >>> that I recently discovered the steaks from Walmart
> >>> are actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson
> >>> Fresh Meats.
> >>>
> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
> >>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
> >>> *Mark - Myakka Technologies
> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >>>
> >>> There are only a few things we know for sure.
> >>>
> >>> 1. It is already in the US
> >>> 2. More people in the US will get it
> >>> 3. More people in the US will die.
> >>>
> >>> Anything other than this is pure speculation at
> >>> this point. We don't know anything about this
> >>> virus. Most everything I hear or read about this
> >>> virus starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE
> >>> ALL GOING TO DIE". But if you bother to listen or
> >>> read the article, it always has "may" or "some
> >>> experts". The current official incubation period
> >>> is 2-14 days, but hey lets just report 14 days and
> >>> base all our models on this and report it as the
> >>> most likely scenario. We don't know how long it
> >>> lives on surfaces. We don't know how it reacts to
> >>> UV light. We don't know how it will do in
> >>> warm/humid conditions.
> >>>
> >>> My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's), This
> >>> virus has been in the states before the first
> >>> reported case. People have had it and recovered
> >>> thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone exposed
> >>> is going to get it. Not everyone who gets it is
> >>> going to need to be hospitalized. Not everyone
> >>> who gets hospitalized will die.
> >>>
> >>> The media once again is doing us a huge
> >>> dis-service. They are hyping this thing way out
> >>> of proportion. Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every
> >>> can of Lysol or Lysol type of product was gone.
> >>> Every package of disinfectant wipes were gone. Every bottle of any
> sized
> >>> hand sanitizer, gone. Crazy. The closest reported "maybe" case is over
> >>> 1300 miles away. God forbid we get a reported
> >>> case in Florida, what will happen then? Going to
> >>> start burning and looting?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >>>
> >>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> >>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>
> >>>
> >>> ------
> >>>
> >>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV or
> >>> any podcasts or blogs. I do pay attention to as
> >>> much scientifically-based information I can find
> >>> though.
> >>> This is a pretty good synopsis on our current
> >>> knowledge without any spin:
> >>>
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you
> >>>
> >>> bp
> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >>>
> >>> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Nazis are socialists. Bernie is a socialist.
> >>> Therefore Bernie is a Nazi. So the Internet says.
> >>>
> >>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
> >>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
> >>> *Steve Jones
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>> <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT
> >>> stock)
> >>>
> >>> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the
> >>> nazis last time... russia is in asia, so russians
> >>> are asians. Taking them out of the running too....
> >>> Weve said too much
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett
> >>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Nazis also hate Communists. It all fits.
> >>>
> >>> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is
> >>> obviously genetically designed to target Asians.
> >>> The proof is that 99% of infections are asians.
> >>> Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party
> >>> trying to eliminate a majority of the population
> >>> so they can initiate another run at global
> >>> domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that
> >>> her friend, carols husband Brad told her that he
> >>> heard that this is what brexit was all about.
> >>> Germany and Great Britian are forming an alliance
> >>> now. Its all hush hush, but there is a shadow
> >>> government of guess what... Nazis.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett
> >>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus?
> >>>
> >>> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>> > I'm waiting for Godwin...
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > bp
> >>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >>> >
> >>> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that
> >>> literally everything is a
> >>> >> "conspiracy".
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on
> >>> purpose, and nobody has the
> >>> >> whole picture of what happened until more time
> >>> passes. In the interim
> >>> >> there's a lot of conflicting information going
> >>> around. People latch
> >>> >> onto early bits of information that turn out to
> >>> be wrong and they
> >>> >> won't let go of them.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to
> >>> distract press from Hong Kong
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat
> >>> China in a trade war
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to
> >>> discredit Mexican Lager (I
> >>> >> mean that one's obviously a joke.....right?)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all
> >>> stock our survival bunkers.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> China is hiding all the information about
> >>> Coronavirus. Really? Or
> >>> >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time
> >>> omniscient feed of all
> >>> >> information so they're reporting what they
> >>> think is true at the time
> >>> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't
> >>> all true.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion
> >>> off topic.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only
> >>> about a dozen actual
> >>> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a
> >>> big deal. Novel
> >>> >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than
> >>> SARS, but not
> >>> >>> particularly deadly.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>>
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