Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica

Fri, 13 Mar 2020 07:52:37 -0700

Where we live, it only takes one round to take down a deer. That's good for a while.


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On 3/13/2020 6:33 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
Depends on the rounds.  For awhile I was stuck with an M249 (I was aviation so that was an extra crap assignment vs a 9 mil or M16) and we carried 800 rounds.  Same 5.56 as an M16, just on a belt in a cartridge.  

And yes, stocking up on ammunition is moronic behavior.  Spend the money on some extra dry goods you could share with your neighbors in the event that they need help.  WWJD 

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:58 AM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the more ammo thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his own. Don't get me wrong, I have a few guns around and maybe a couple thousand rounds. 

I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. We had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying the receiver carried no ammo as he was already carrying 60 pounds of metal in addition to everything else he had. The other two carried 100 rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully automaitc machine gun tasked with the a major part of the fire power on a company level for either defense or attack. In addition, the rifle platoons each carried 1 box (100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so a total of 300 rounds per platoon. 3 platoons per company. so an additional 900 rounds for a total of 1100 rounds standard. The company commander might throw in a couple of extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have to move more than 15 miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the outside. That is for a known or intenional engagement. Nothing works out like you expect so sometimes you go to kill someone and nobodies home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever. The point is that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 2100 rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a humvee we carried about the same amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread around. Closer to 1800 to 2000 rounds.

Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted you can count on resupply unless everything really goes South.  I know you are counting on no supply chain. But man, you are either the worst shot ever, or don't plan on doing a lot of aiming or maybe a lot of warning shots. In my experience, once the first guy gets shot, a lot less ammo gets used by everyone after the initial panic. Seeing someone get shot seems to really encourage people to hide more.

That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine with all the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the like, the fog of war aint what it used to be. We used to count on finding the enemy by sending people out to look for them. When you heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards it because that meant somebody found what you were lookiing for. Seems really low tech now.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People acting dumb, means people will shortly do dumb things. I went and bought an AR and more ammo tonite. I just hope these morons stay calm at least till Monday when God government let's me pick up the rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20 gauge with a pistol grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and dont tell her about is a different story.
Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside unloading into the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It will be wash rinse and repeat every day as morons moron. They're frantic. The media has people so worked up, it's like the world is ending tomorrow. 
I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and fill my pantry with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was nice to see that the canned foods we picked pretty clean, at least some people do have some common sense. But doing an annual shop in the middle of this nonsense is grueling. I had to cut out halfway through. These people are crazy. 
I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I mean I'm planning on sitting in my camper drinking Miller lite, Jameson, and shitposting for 2 weeks

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
The interesting part of that was that Italy was 3rd behind China and S. Korea.   I would love a plot of that vs. Emergency beds/breathers...

On 3/12/20 6:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Per Vox Media. We're number 1 (in lack of testing). So we are pretty much in the dark.

The Trump administration’s slow rollout of testing for coronavirus has become something of a national scandal, and it’s easy to see why when you compare the US testing rate to that of other affected countries. South Korea stands out for its rapid rollout of extensive testing, including through innovative drive-through testing programs.

Drive-through testing is being piloted in some parts of the US, like New Hampshire, but we still have a long way to go before we match South Korean and Chinese testing levels.


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On 3/12/2020 6:06 PM, Robert wrote:
i.e. Ostrich syndrome, the US had it bad.   Still has it bad.   The one bright note I saw today was the director of the CDC getting put in a corner to commit to free testing for C-19 for every person in the US.  No need to actually work on the actuals of it but the commitment is primary unless someone fires him...

On 3/12/20 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018 was not a wise decision. If they were still operating when this started late last year, they could/would have started the production of test kits based on our earliest knowledge of the RNA test needed to identify it. Then we would have had real information on the extent of the outbreak here. Instead, we went for weeks under the mistaken impression that it was not here. It was, we just had our heads in the sand.


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On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it is lent. 
 
But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
 
No need to reply. 
 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
 
I agree with Carl.
Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading exponentially...let that sink in. Our current administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we are suffering the consequences.
You can't cure ....wait for it....wait for it..... ineptness.
 
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means "Breaking down the infrastructure of society". 
 
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Breaking down the infrastructure of society over fear mongering is not being a very responsible member of society at all. This didnt happen during swine flu, and we made it though it
 
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
"If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go." 
 
IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a responsible member of society.  I'm not judging, or saying we are at that point, but there is a point at which the responsible thing to do is cancel large gatherings to flatten the curve.  
 
On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
If you're concerned about getting sick, just don't go.
 
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On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
I’m sorry folks but this conference really should be canceled for the safety of everyone.
 
Thank you to Sonar For their brave decision yesterday to pull out.
 
I know this would be a hardship for WISPA’s finances so I think we should all pull together to make sure WISPA doesn’t suffer financially.  We need WISPA and our members to be healthy and strong both physically and financially.
 
 
Best regards,
 
-Sean
 
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