As an M1A1 crewman I remember we carried 11400 of 7.62 for the loaders m240b and the gunners coax used the majority and 900 rounds of .50cal for the M2. We shared an M16A1 with about 200 rounds and each carried 35 rounds of .45 for our 1911s we had 52rounds of 120mm rounds of Sabot and mixed Heat rounds for the big boy. All of which weighed approx 72tons of pure destruction on the move about 60MPH.

I was always looking for a fight LOL!


On 3/13/20 9:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

In my experience, firing a weapon in full auto wastes about 8 or 9 out of 10 shots. If you're intent on killing something, semi auto wins every time with a minimum of waste.

I guess I'm not prepper enough, but if I have 3 boxes of ammo, that's on the high side. If I'm going to the range, I might get an extra couple of boxes, but that's about it.

bp
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On 3/13/2020 5:57 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I wonder, does buying an AR count as moronic behavior? I get the more ammo thing, 10,000 rounds seems a bit much but to each his own. Don't get me wrong, I have a few guns around and maybe a couple thousand rounds.

I just think back to when I was a machine gunner in the Marine Corps. We had a 3 man crew for the 50 cal M2. The one guy carrying the receiver carried no ammo as he was already carrying 60 pounds of metal in addition to everything else he had. The other two carried 100 rounds each. 200 rounds for a fully automaitc machine gun tasked with the a major part of the fire power on a company level for either defense or attack. In addition, the rifle platoons each carried 1 box (100 rounds) per squad (13 guys) 3 squads per platoon so a total of 300 rounds per platoon. 3 platoons per company. so an additional 900 rounds for a total of 1100 rounds standard. The company commander might throw in a couple of extra boxes per platoon if we didn't have to move more than 15 miles or so. So call it 2100 rounds on the outside. That is for a known or intenional engagement. Nothing works out like you expect so sometimes you go to kill someone and nobodies home. Sometimes they aren't where you expect. Whatever. The point is that you are looking for a fight and you are carrying at most 2100 rounds. Now, if we were lucky enough to drive around in a humvee we carried about the same amount of ammo, but with us instead of spread around. Closer to 1800 to 2000 rounds.

Of course there is a supply chain and if the battle is protracted you can count on resupply unless everything really goes South.  I know you are counting on no supply chain. But man, you are either the worst shot ever, or don't plan on doing a lot of aiming or maybe a lot of warning shots. In my experience, once the first guy gets shot, a lot less ammo gets used by everyone after the initial panic. Seeing someone get shot seems to really encourage people to hide more.

That makes me think, it wasn't that long ago, but I would imagine with all the drones equipped with heat signature equipment and the like, the fog of war aint what it used to be. We used to count on finding the enemy by sending people out to look for them. When you heard a bunch of gunfire, you ran towards it because that meant somebody found what you were lookiing for. Seems really low tech now.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:05 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    I went to walmart. Morons everywhere. This is a frenzy. People
    acting dumb, means people will shortly do dumb things. I went and
    bought an AR and more ammo tonite. I just hope these morons stay
    calm at least till Monday when God government let's me pick up
    the rifle. Wife shut me down on grabbing a 20 gauge with a pistol
    grip for the kids. What I buy tomorrow and dont tell her about is
    a different story.
    Was talking to the lady at walmart. The truck was outside
    unloading into the warehouse more TP and ramen noodles. It will
    be wash rinse and repeat every day as morons moron. They're
    frantic. The media has people so worked up, it's like the world
    is ending tomorrow.
    I have kids, so I get a fat gubmint check every tax time and fill
    my pantry with nonperishable goods on your dime. It was nice to
    see that the canned foods we picked pretty clean, at least some
    people do have some common sense. But doing an annual shop in the
    middle of this nonsense is grueling. I had to cut out halfway
    through. These people are crazy.
    I do have my camper ready to quarantine myself. By that, I mean
    I'm planning on sitting in my camper drinking Miller lite,
    Jameson, and shitposting for 2 weeks

    On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 9:54 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
    <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

        The interesting part of that was that Italy was 3rd behind
        China and S. Korea.   I would love a plot of that vs.
        Emergency beds/breathers...

        On 3/12/20 6:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

        Per Vox Media. We're number 1 (in lack of testing). So we
        are pretty much in the dark.

        The Trump administration’s slow rollout of testing for
        coronavirus has become something of a national scandal, and
        it’s easy to see why when you compare the US testing rate to
        that of other affected countries. South Korea stands out for
        its rapid rollout of extensive testing, including through
        innovative drive-through testing programs.

        Drive-through testing is being piloted in some parts of the
        US, like New Hampshire, but we still have a long way to go
        before we match South Korean and Chinese testing levels.


        bp
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        On 3/12/2020 6:06 PM, Robert wrote:
        i.e. Ostrich syndrome, the US had it bad.   Still has it
        bad.   The one bright note I saw today was the director of
        the CDC getting put in a corner to commit to free testing
        for C-19 for every person in the US.  No need to actually
        work on the actuals of it but the commitment is primary
        unless someone fires him...

        On 3/12/20 9:55 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

        IMO, I think disbanding the pandemic response team in 2018
        was not a wise decision. If they were still operating when
        this started late last year, they could/would have started
        the production of test kits based on our earliest
        knowledge of the RNA test needed to identify it. Then we
        would have had real information on the extent of the
        outbreak here. Instead, we went for weeks under the
        mistaken impression that it was not here. It was, we just
        had our heads in the sand.


        bp
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        On 3/12/2020 9:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
        <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
        I am going to do a cheap shot here and remind everyone it
        is lent.
        But before I do that, I am musing about the following:
        But I am curious as to what more the US could have done...
        If we dropped the ball so did many nations.
        No need to reply.
        *From:* Jaime Solorza
        *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:44 AM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] COVID-19 and WISPAmerica
        I agree with Carl.
        Most of you understand math...this virus is spreading
        exponentially...let that sink in. Our current
        administration dropped the ball on this one.  Now we are
        suffering the consequences.
        You can't cure ....wait for it....wait for it.....
        ineptness.
        On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 12:35 PM Carl Peterson
        <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:

            Canceling or rescheduling a conference is by no means
            "Breaking down the infrastructure of society".
            On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Steve Jones
            <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

                Breaking down the infrastructure of society over
                fear mongering is not being a very responsible
                member of society at all. This didnt happen
                during swine flu, and we made it though it
                On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 PM Carl Peterson
                <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:

                    "If you're concerned about getting sick, just
                    don't go."
                    IMHO, it isn't about you, it is about being a
                    responsible member of society. I'm not
                    judging, or saying we are at that point, but
                    there is a point at which the responsible
                    thing to do is cancel large gatherings to
                    flatten the curve.
                    On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:15 PM Josh Luthman
                    <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

                        If you're concerned about getting sick,
                        just don't go.
                        Josh Luthman
                        Office: 937-552-2340
                        Direct: 937-552-2343
                        1100 Wayne St
                        Suite 1337
                        Troy, OH 45373
                        On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:59 PM Sean
                        Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:

                            I’m sorry folks but this conference
                            really should be canceled for the
                            safety of everyone.
                            Thank you to Sonar For their brave
                            decision yesterday to pull out.
                            I know this would be a hardship for
                            WISPA’s finances so I think we should
                            all pull together to make sure WISPA
                            doesn’t suffer financially.  We need
                            WISPA and our members to be healthy
                            and strong both physically and
                            financially.
                            
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-11/coronavirus-advice-from-bioethicists-cancel-that-conference
                            https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw
                            Best regards,
                            -Sean
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