Well, here is a great discussion on the Subject of Disability, unemployment, and the fleecing we are getting <https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/> It is an NPR article so I doubt many would call it conservatively biased. The fact is, when people run out of other types of programs, like welfare, they go straight for disability,.
Wish I could get my wife on that train. She recently joined the ranks fo the unemployed due to her retail job closing shop but I can't seem to get her to either look for a job or file for unemployment. I have paid for unemployment for decades and never used it. I guess this is anecdotal study on human nature. Until someone experiences negative consequences they feel no need to do anything. Well, some people. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:13 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > Some eligible disabilities would be very easy to fake. Agoraphobia for > example. > > I have no data on how prevalent such fakery really is. Different > political groups will tell us different stories on that...but it's > certainly not hard to do. > > An average disability payment is $1258/month (anywhere from $800-$3000 > based on a formula with a lot of factors). If your only income is > disability then you probably also qualify for HEAP and SNAP. HEAP would > get you $375/month if you have gas heat (more for oil or propane, but > presumably because those cost more....I wouldn't know). OR it would get you > $35/month if you have utilities included in your rent. SNAP could provide > up to $194/month for a single person in NY. > > If I'm a single person with an average disability payment, getting $35 > from HEAP and $194 from SNAP then that's roughly equal to $9.29/hour. You > wouldn't pay income tax on that, but a person making $9/hour is getting > pretty much everything refunded every April anyway....so it's really about > the same. You won't live a good life, but you won't have to take any crap > from The Man either. > > If you have a child or two you can get another few hundred from TANF, but > TANF requires you to work and/or look for work so you have to optimize that > one by working exactly the right amount and then get fired. Ideally get > those kids diagnosed with autism or some such so you can start collecting > disability checks on their behalf too....then you don't have to worry about > optimizing TANF anymore. You only get 5 years of TANF, but if you can't at > least one doctor to say your kids has a disability within 5 years then you > probably aren't trying hard. Medicare is paying for these doctor visits, > so just keep going and make sure to complain about all the right symptoms. > > On the one hand I have a brother with >100% disability due to injuries > sustained in Afghanistan, so I'm not saying these programs should go away. > On the other hand I have an ex-sister in law who gets a disability check > for her psychological issues, and also has 3 children diagnosed with > autism, so she gets additional benefits for the 3 of them. I think her > real disability is being an unreasonable person and I think childhood > autism symptoms look suspiciously like the standard behavior of bratty kids > you aren't paying any attention to. > > Again, I don't know how many people like that are out there (hopefully not > too many), but there's definitely a road-map already laid out for your > friend's daughter to be able to live a frugal, but not uncomfortable life > without having to work 40 hours and contribute to society. > > </crying about society><back to work> > > > On 3/24/2020 12:22 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > > > a friend of a friend recently told me of a story they're having to deal > with. Daughter "got into a bad situation" and was offered a roof where > relative was living in another state. After making the "mad dash" to > "rescue" her, she's being very difficult. They tried to help find her a > job. She wasn't interested. Had apparently been watching too much bernie > sanders or something. Explained the job. Response was how dare you > interrupt my private time. Tell you what, i'll consider the job for no > more than $15 an hour. Friend explained no job starts at $15 an hour, at > least not around here. Maybe you can start at $8 or $9 but then you have > to get some experience and maybe over time you'll get raises to higher > levels. > > Response was something about how in her other life she worked at a grocery > store, a union was involved, union didn't do anything, didn't get backpay > she was owed, etc this, etc that, yadda yadda.... > > todays update - - apparently she sat on hold for two hours to apply for > disability benefits. i asked my friend what disability? he laughed, > shook his head, and said i have no idea..... > > what on earth is going on??? lol > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 3:24 PM > *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT People > > Had to fire a guy today. He had a checkered past. Drugs, prison etc. > I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a career, > he was doing asbestos removal when I hired him). > > Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses. > They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing by > a rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone. > The front of his coat was bulging when he left. > He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some tags > etc etc etc. > I told them I would pay for the stuff. They sent me an itemized bill with > the exact stuff he took. > > Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about > stealing this stuff but didn’t do it. > Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc. > I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is permanently > banned from their place. > > He was a parolee. We even removed a bullet from his back that the cops > had put there. > It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out. He didn’t > want to spend the money to do it right. > So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew. > My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, forceps > and out it came. > (howz that for a company health plan). > > I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years. It rarely works > out. I have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences > reduced, got people sprung from jail. > Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given. > > Sucks losing the training time I have invested... > Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things. > Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives. > > About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone. > I told him I was not going to do this anymore. > He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”. Nope, done. > I guess he was right, I kept doing it. I will probably do it again. I > think I am an idiot sometimes. > > > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Lewis Bergman 325-439-0533 Cell
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